Rylands V Fletcher gave birth to public liability - it was set up in 1800 something or other and it was a case where Rylands built a (artificial water for the Red Mill- his factory) reservior.
The careless builders did not block up any holes with bricks in the construction which seems a bit ridiculous but its true. So when the water was put in it flooded down old mine shafts and found its way to Fletchers mine and rendered by flooding his every day business worthless.
This established the rule of 'absolute liability' - so no being put to long drawn out and often expensive proof that an event simply happened and it was someones fault simples!!
So recently it was overturned... ahhh... in a Tyre/Fire case where it was said tyre's were not dangerous...
In my case the retained parts under the landlords control flooded me so many times and did not fix for months it rendered the business worthless..
It is important that a case where there is a one off fire in a tyre factory that causes damage to the property next door and served to overturn the Rylands & Fletcher case is not a good example to overturn it and insurance companies must love that judgement..
In my case I think 'absolute liability' in the court of appeal.. without too much argument can honestly out of common sense be Re-established!!! Don't you think? As the little people will always then get messed about by the more powerful saying well prove it when it is obvious that liability is there... Our rights must be being eroded even without our knowledge. But I will bet insurance companies will know!
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Thursday, 2 May 2013
The main points after a day and back in at 10am today...
The War of the Roses and families...
Main points;
LAndlords rights
Absurd unreasonableness
Justice or not?
This is a war!!
Concedes not section 11 - barristers winging it
Are the insurers getting away with it backing landlords
Is this an indication of human rights and prospect for children's right
Me got to be able to argue my points in law and law to be in any case observed or this case like the transcripts will disappear me with it
Brain in overdrive...
Main points;
LAndlords rights
Absurd unreasonableness
Justice or not?
This is a war!!
Concedes not section 11 - barristers winging it
Are the insurers getting away with it backing landlords
Is this an indication of human rights and prospect for children's right
Me got to be able to argue my points in law and law to be in any case observed or this case like the transcripts will disappear me with it
Brain in overdrive...
Wednesday, 1 May 2013
Corruption!!
Time to support this youth leader...
Dead lock.. Times got to change! Opportunity for the taking today!
Mary Moss
whose house was raided at dawn by nine police officers to seek the
names of public figures from casework she held in trust from young
people from care is in court tomorrow to demand 1.9 million in damages
from her landlord of her social enterprises New NAYPIC (National
Association of Young People In Care)/ Youth Parliament trespassing her
premises in 2008 effectively stoping her good work in setting up a youth
parliament independent economy. Ms Moss was horrified by allegations of
child abuse as a worker for NAYPIC in the 90's so in 2000 set up two
independent art galleries www.scarletmaguire.com and www.spaceshift.com to fund her own business www.youthparliament.co.uk she saidthe galleries were a calm cover to make money to expose these people by gathering evidence and eventually taking
one class action massive case for all the survivors.
However Ms Moss stumbled on more trouble in fighting her public landlord than she could believe!
Representing herself
and yet undefeated as the landlord had powerful lawyers and more friends in high places in court than she could believe!
She
has recently uncovered that the Master of the Rolls from 2009-2012
(whose sister in law Baroness Neuberger who was Chairperson of her
landlord) was actively involved in her case as was the President of the
Queen's Bench Division Sir Antony May!!
Channel 4 news have been given the evidence!
Ms
Moss was due in court 1st May 13' after 5 years being held a prisoner
of her own case and the wheels of justice turning oddly very slowly,
that evidence may suggest why the hearing was suddenly cancelled!
They
say she will be seen today (2nd May 13') at 10.45am, a public hearing
in court 70.. She wants you all to be there to show that people who stop
child abuse should not be stopped!!! See www.legalaidcuts.blogspot.com
her blog on the continuing court story!
She
says she will set up an independent economy and real Youth Parliament if she wins..
Be
there and show that young people can organize for change instead of
just rioting for it!! This is the time to show your face in support for
1.9 million pounds in damages, a court room full would show spirit, for
the big people to stop messing with the little people.. It may be her
only way of stopping more corruption today.. 2nd May 13 at the Strand!
London High Court. More reporting of encouraging positive youth good
action is needed just now and not just reporting celebrity youth in
court for
trouble
BestMary Moss ;-)
COURT 70 10.45am 2nd May 2013 The Strand
TrespassEd Case... It's also a case of wadding knee deep in sewage and my landlord and insurers getting away with it.. damages including actively preventing me from developing the youth economy that I was happily getting on with in my own businesses this loss of opportunity I am claiming 1.9 million for so they better not stop me especially now.. I am representing myself.. perhaps preparation for the next lot of public action sewage of child abuse cases, if I can win this one but I have been stopped for 3 years even getting into court.. including today 1st May.. so we shall see what tricks they have for me this time.. may merit and law simply prevail this is not the time for illegal judicial influences or leading me a merry dance;-)
Not Before 10 o'clock
From County Courts
FINAL DECISIONS
B5/2010/2396 Gavin & Anr -v- Community Housing Association Ltd. Appeal of Claimants from the order of His Honour Judge Cowell, dated 22nd September 2010, filed 13th October 2010.
APPLICATION
B5/2010/2396(B) Gavin & Anr -v- Community Housing Association Ltd. Application of Claimants for permission to amend ground and permission to appeal in respect of amended grounds.
Not Before 10 o'clock
Before LORD JUSTICE MUMMERY
LORD JUSTICE PATTEN and
LADY JUSTICE BLACK
Not Before 10.45 AM
APPEALFrom County Courts
FINAL DECISIONS
B5/2010/2396 Gavin & Anr -v- Community Housing Association Ltd. Appeal of Claimants from the order of His Honour Judge Cowell, dated 22nd September 2010, filed 13th October 2010.
APPLICATION
B5/2010/2396(B) Gavin & Anr -v- Community Housing Association Ltd. Application of Claimants for permission to amend ground and permission to appeal in respect of amended grounds.
Court case been delayed until tomorrow
Dear Ms Flores
We
have just been informed by counsel's clerk that the appeal hearing will
begin this Thursday 2 May 2013, not tomorrow. Details of the specific
court room and start time will not be available
from the court until tomorrow afternoon.
Yours sincerely
About to leave and looked at the daily cause list... no listing!!!
No information from the courts to me ... just an email from the other sides solicitors who have been informed .. nice
Friday, 26 April 2013
TrespassEd
Thursday, 4 April 2013
The Landlord will go to any length to waste time (getting by with a little judicial help from their friends)!! The GAMES BEGIN!! A new application by the landlord... too late mate... and just so as you all get what is going on this is a two and a half million pounds claim for NAYPIC that is far from being defunct as the Main Stream Press like to suspiciously say it is.. I met a survivor of Grafton Close yesterday at my home and he said even the police told him I was not around when he asked for me and nor was NAYPIC that is awful.. WELL WE ARE HERE ALIVE AND KICKING AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN OUR OWN 2.5 Million pounds case because we are right and that is why they play games or they would have got rid of us by now but we are right and were trespassed.. COURT CASE coming soon be there it's public...AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO GET'S DONE IN THESE CHILD ABUSE CHARGES AS WE WILL BRING OUR OWN CLASS ACTION... WITH OUR OWN CASH yeah stop us then!!!! And...DAM THE CPS IF THEY SAY THAT VICTIMS ARE OUT OF TIME WE SHALL SEE... CLASS ACTION IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY AN AVALANCHE EFFECT OF TOO MANY PEOPLE SAYING THE SAME THING! ONCE THIS BORING CASE OVER DISREPAIR AT OUR NEW NAYPIC/YOUTH PARLIAMENT PREMISES www.youthparliament.co.uk (2000-2013) IS DONE AND WON ON 1ST May/2nd May AT ROYAL COURTS OF JUSTICE! A message to OHG, UKU & RSA YOU SHOULD FEEL SHAME You BULLY's EVEN YOUR ARMY HAVEN'T BEAT US, BECAUSE What we say is true!!!!..PLUS MESSAGE TO THE PRESS STOP SAYING WE ARE NOT HERE PLEASE IT's NOT Good it's not cool as many of the victims who were in touch with need to know we are still here (ps thanks Ed at ITV and MAtt at BBC remember I agreed to the interview as long as you credited me NOT as a former NAYPIC worker but as the Director of NNYP NEW NAYPIC as being very much HERE..DEFUNCT IS NOT TRUE!!!!! WE CERTAINLY ARE HERE OR WHY HAVE OHG, UKU & RSA SPENT £400,000 STOPPING US from trading for 5 years? THINK ABOUT IT?
Court of Appeal
In the
Appeal Court
Reference No. B5/2010/2396
Respondent's Notice (the time wasting order to appeal before the 1st May hearing!!!)
Your (respondent's) name:
One Housing Group Limited
Your solicitor's name Bircham Dyson Bell LLP:
50 Broadway
London
SW1H OBL
Details of the order(s) or part(s) of order(s) you want to appeal
Name of Judge
His Honour Judge Cowell
Date of order (s)
22 September 2010
If only part of an order is appealed, write out that part (or those parts)
"Judgment for the Claimants in the sum of £100 in respect of their claim for
damages, the said sum to be set off against the judgment for the Defendant on its
Counterclaim".
the words "less the £100 referred to in 2 above" should be deleted from
this paragraph.
Permission to file a respondent's notice
M I Bircham Dyson Bell LLP
respondent ('s solicitor) seek permission to appeal
the order(s)
Grounds for appeal or for upholding the order
X (the respondent)
appeal(s) the order [s/]wish(es) the appeal court to uphold the order on
different or additional grounds
because:-
Permission to appeal - grounds
1. The learned judge misdirected himself as to the extent of the landlord's liability in relation to damage caused to the demised premises by defects in areas retained by the landlord. He ought to have directed himself that on the facts of this case there was no such liability.
Additional or alternative grounds for upholding the order
Possession
1. The landlord was in any event entitled to possession of 104 Cromer Street WC1 on the ground that the landlord served a section 25 notice and no application was made for a new tenancy under Part II of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954.
Liability
2. The learned judge did consider the issue of negligence and whether the landlord had taken reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas retained by the landlord and found that there was no failure to take reasonable care or that no case in that regard had been made out. If the learned judge failed to consider this issue as contended on behalf of the tenants, there were in any event no sufficient particulars and/or evidence to enable him to find that the tenants had proved a failure to take reasonable care.
3. Alternatively, if the learned judge did not consider the issue of negligence and whether the landlord had taken reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas retained by the landlord, he was right not to do so (and right to hold liability arose after notice and the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs). Alternatively, to the extent he did not so hold, his decision should be upheld on the ground that any liability was subject to a requirement of prior notice and the expiry of a reasonable period following such notice on the facts of this case given, inter alia, the terms of the leases and the fact that the landlord's liability to residential tenants would only arise after notice and the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs.
4. The agreed evidence of both parties' surveyors was that the defects caused by water ingress did not
prevent occupation and use of the premises and the learned judge was in any event right to hold that
the cesser of rent provision contained in clause 6.3 of the leases was not triggered.
5. Even if the cesser of rent provision was triggered the tenants had no cause of action for the return of the rent which they had paid and were not entitled to set off such sums or any part of them against
sums due to the landlord.
ZIA BHALOO QC
Arguments in support of grounds
My skeleton argument is:-will follow within 14 days of receiving the
appellant's skeleton arguments (ha ha that's like the day before the court case yeah right!!)
X (the respondent) will rely on the following arguments at the hearing of the appeal:-
What decision are you asking the appeal court to make?
X(the respondent) XX (is) asking that:-
the order(s) be set aside
the order(s) be varied and the following order(s) substituted :-
Paragraph 2 of the Order should be varied to read:
"The Claimants' claim for damages is dismissed"
Paragraph 5 of the Order should be varied to read:
"Judgment for the Defendant for mesne profits in relation to 106 in the
sum of £25,075.88 plus interest in the sum of £1,381.46 and continuing at
the same rate (daily rate) until payment."
a new trial be ordered (Are they joking 5 years in court and counting NO LETS NOT!! You just want to let us die waiting you are cruel lets just get this over and done with on 1st May for good, why the games is that the only way you can win because you are wrong.. ha games games games)
the appeal court makes the following additional orders :-
the appeal court upholds the order but for the following different or additional reasons
Possession
1. The landlord was in any event entitled to possession of 104 Cromer Street WC1 on the
ground that the landlord served a section 25 notice and no application was made for a
new tenancy under Part II of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954.
Liability
2. The learned judge did consider the issue of negligence and whether the landlord had taken
reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas retained by the
landlord and found that there was no failure to take reasonable care or that no case in
that regard had been made out. If the learned judge failed to consider this issue as
contended on behalf of the tenants, there were in any event no sufficient particulars
and/or evidence to enable him to find that the tenants had proved a failure to take
reasonable care.
3. Alternatively, if the learned judge did not consider the issue of negligence and whether the
landlord had taken reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas
retained by the landlord, he was right not to do so (and right to hold liability arose after
notice and the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs). Alternatively, to the
extent he did not so hold, his decision should be upheld on the ground that any liability
was subject to a requirement of prior notice and the expiry of a reasonable period
following such notice on the facts of this case given, inter alia, the terms of the leases and
the fact that the landlord's liability to residential tenants would only arise after notice and
the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs
4. The agreed evidence of both parties' surveyors was that the defects caused by water
ingress did not prevent occupation and use of the premises and the learned judge was in
any event right to hold that the cesser of rent provision contained in clause 6.3 of the
leases was not triggered.
5. Even if the cesser of rent provision was triggered the tenants had no cause of action for
the return of the rent which they had paid and were not entitled to set off such sums or
any part of them against sums due to the landlord.
Section 9 Other applications
I wish to make an application for additional orders [3] in this section
in the Part 23 application
form (N244) attached
Part A
I apply (the respondent applies) for an order;(000000000001)00000004X that :-
(OUT OF TIME DO YOU GET THAT WELL UNLESS THEY HAVE FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES THIS IS RIDICULOUS WITH A HUGE LEGAL TEAM AND SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED.. THE CHEEK!!!!)
The Respondent has permission to file this Respondent's Notice out of time and
rely on the grounds set out at this Notice at the appeal
hearing, fixed to take place on 1st or 2nd May 2013
because:-
The Respondent was not in a position to file its Respondent's Notice or seek
permission to appeal within the time specified under Part 52(5)(b) of the Civil
Procedure Rules 1998 following the grant of permission to appeal, for the reasons
explained at this application
Part B
I (the respondent) wish(es) to rely on :
evidence in Part C witness statement (affidavit)
Part C
I (the respondent) wish(es) to rely on the following evidence in support of this application:-
The Appellants filed their Appellants's Notice and application for permission to
appeal in October 2010, within 21 days of the Order made. The Appellants also
applied for transcripts of the judgments appealed to be supplied at the public
expense. There were delays in the transcripts being procured and the Court granted
the Appellants permission to appeal on some grounds on 4 December 2012. The
Respondent's solicitors were served with notification that permission to appeal had
been granted on 5 December 2012.
The Respondent retained Counsel who dealt with the initial trial before His Honour
Judge Cowell in July and September 2010, to represent the Respondent in the appeal.
At the time that the Respondent's Notice and skeleton argument were due to be filed
(19 December 2012), Counsel was out of chambers. The Respondent notified the
Appellants and the Civil Appeals Office at the time to inform them of the
circumstances and to ask for an extension of time to file the Notice and skeleton
argument, in the event that it considered it was necessary to file the notice after
it had consulted with Counsel. The Civil Appeals Office informed the Respondent that
it should seek permission to file a Respondent's Notice when it subsequently filed a
Respondent's Notice. The filing of the Notice was subsequently delayed on Counsel's
return to chambers as she was then out of chambers for some time due to illness.
Given the passage of time since the conclusion of the original trial in September
2010 and the need to review transcripts of judgments made by His Honour Judge Cowell,
following the grant of permission, it was not possible for the Respondent to
formulate the ground of appeal for which permission is now sought and the alternative
grounds of appeal referred to at Section 6 of this notice by 19 December 2012.
Further, following a request in writing via email dated 14 December 2012, the
Respondent's solicitors received a copy of the Appeal Bundle which was before the
Court at the permission hearing from the Appellants' then advocate, Jan Luba QC, on
20 December 2012. (BLAH BLAH BLABBERY BLAH ARE YOU STILL WITH US)
Whilst the First Appellant initially objected to the Respondent's request for further
time to file its Respondent's Notice and skeleton argument in December 2012, she
subsequently sought further time by email on 19 December 2012 for the Appellants to
file and serve the Appellants' skeleton argument, to benefit from the assistance and
advice from the Bar Pro Bono Unit. The Respondent confirmed by email to the
Appellants and the Civil Appeals Office on 19 December 2012 that it had no objection
in principle but suggested that the directions remained sequential.
To date, the Appellants have yet to serve their skeleton argument and we understand
that the Bar Pro Bono Unit is no longer assisting the Appellants in relation to their
appeal. The Respondent has also been informed by email dated 2 April 2013 from the
First Appellant that she has also filed an application seeking to amend the grounds
of appeal before the court.
In those circumstances, the Respondent believes that no prejudice shall result to the
Appellants as a result of the late filing and service of the Respondent's Notice and
the application for permission to appeal, given that the contents of the bundles do
not require additional material to consider the Respondent's grounds.
Finally, the ground on which permission to appeal is sought formed part of the
submissions made to the trial Judge in the court below. Accordingly, the Respondent
avers that the Appellants shall not be prejudiced if permission to appeal is granted
out of time.
In all the circumstances, the Respondent respectfully requests that the Court grant
permission to file the Respondent's Notice out of time.
(OH GOD respectfully!!!)
WELL HERE IS MY REPLY...
TO THE COURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just in case they do have friends in high places)
From: Civil Appeals - CMSB <civilappeals.cmsB@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk>
To: 'Scarlet Maguire Gallery' <scarletmaguire@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 14:05
Subject: RE: Flores and Cracy v One Housing Group
The reference numbers are B5/2010/2396
The reference number of the claimants N244 Application is 2013/PI/10478.
The Respondents Notice, to which the reply below is in reference to, is the same as above B5/2010/2396 but it may help to have the DX reference which is LZM/SXP/Y059098.
Please let me know if you need anything further from me in terms of a full verbose reply to their application.
Kind Regards
In the
Appeal Court
Reference No. B5/2010/2396
Respondent's Notice (the time wasting order to appeal before the 1st May hearing!!!)
Your (respondent's) name:
One Housing Group Limited
Your solicitor's name Bircham Dyson Bell LLP:
50 Broadway
London
SW1H OBL
Details of the order(s) or part(s) of order(s) you want to appeal
Name of Judge
His Honour Judge Cowell
Date of order (s)
22 September 2010
If only part of an order is appealed, write out that part (or those parts)
"Judgment for the Claimants in the sum of £100 in respect of their claim for
damages, the said sum to be set off against the judgment for the Defendant on its
Counterclaim".
the words "less the £100 referred to in 2 above" should be deleted from
this paragraph.
Permission to file a respondent's notice
M I Bircham Dyson Bell LLP
respondent ('s solicitor) seek permission to appeal
the order(s)
Grounds for appeal or for upholding the order
X (the respondent)
appeal(s) the order [s/]wish(es) the appeal court to uphold the order on
different or additional grounds
because:-
Permission to appeal - grounds
1. The learned judge misdirected himself as to the extent of the landlord's liability in relation to damage caused to the demised premises by defects in areas retained by the landlord. He ought to have directed himself that on the facts of this case there was no such liability.
Additional or alternative grounds for upholding the order
Possession
1. The landlord was in any event entitled to possession of 104 Cromer Street WC1 on the ground that the landlord served a section 25 notice and no application was made for a new tenancy under Part II of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954.
Liability
2. The learned judge did consider the issue of negligence and whether the landlord had taken reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas retained by the landlord and found that there was no failure to take reasonable care or that no case in that regard had been made out. If the learned judge failed to consider this issue as contended on behalf of the tenants, there were in any event no sufficient particulars and/or evidence to enable him to find that the tenants had proved a failure to take reasonable care.
3. Alternatively, if the learned judge did not consider the issue of negligence and whether the landlord had taken reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas retained by the landlord, he was right not to do so (and right to hold liability arose after notice and the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs). Alternatively, to the extent he did not so hold, his decision should be upheld on the ground that any liability was subject to a requirement of prior notice and the expiry of a reasonable period following such notice on the facts of this case given, inter alia, the terms of the leases and the fact that the landlord's liability to residential tenants would only arise after notice and the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs.
4. The agreed evidence of both parties' surveyors was that the defects caused by water ingress did not
prevent occupation and use of the premises and the learned judge was in any event right to hold that
the cesser of rent provision contained in clause 6.3 of the leases was not triggered.
5. Even if the cesser of rent provision was triggered the tenants had no cause of action for the return of the rent which they had paid and were not entitled to set off such sums or any part of them against
sums due to the landlord.
ZIA BHALOO QC
Arguments in support of grounds
My skeleton argument is:-will follow within 14 days of receiving the
appellant's skeleton arguments (ha ha that's like the day before the court case yeah right!!)
X (the respondent) will rely on the following arguments at the hearing of the appeal:-
What decision are you asking the appeal court to make?
X(the respondent) XX (is) asking that:-
the order(s) be set aside
the order(s) be varied and the following order(s) substituted :-
Paragraph 2 of the Order should be varied to read:
"The Claimants' claim for damages is dismissed"
Paragraph 5 of the Order should be varied to read:
"Judgment for the Defendant for mesne profits in relation to 106 in the
sum of £25,075.88 plus interest in the sum of £1,381.46 and continuing at
the same rate (daily rate) until payment."
a new trial be ordered (Are they joking 5 years in court and counting NO LETS NOT!! You just want to let us die waiting you are cruel lets just get this over and done with on 1st May for good, why the games is that the only way you can win because you are wrong.. ha games games games)
the appeal court makes the following additional orders :-
the appeal court upholds the order but for the following different or additional reasons
Possession
1. The landlord was in any event entitled to possession of 104 Cromer Street WC1 on the
ground that the landlord served a section 25 notice and no application was made for a
new tenancy under Part II of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954.
Liability
2. The learned judge did consider the issue of negligence and whether the landlord had taken
reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas retained by the
landlord and found that there was no failure to take reasonable care or that no case in
that regard had been made out. If the learned judge failed to consider this issue as
contended on behalf of the tenants, there were in any event no sufficient particulars
and/or evidence to enable him to find that the tenants had proved a failure to take
reasonable care.
3. Alternatively, if the learned judge did not consider the issue of negligence and whether the
landlord had taken reasonable care to prevent defects and damage arising from areas
retained by the landlord, he was right not to do so (and right to hold liability arose after
notice and the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs). Alternatively, to the
extent he did not so hold, his decision should be upheld on the ground that any liability
was subject to a requirement of prior notice and the expiry of a reasonable period
following such notice on the facts of this case given, inter alia, the terms of the leases and
the fact that the landlord's liability to residential tenants would only arise after notice and
the expiry of a reasonable time to carry out repairs
4. The agreed evidence of both parties' surveyors was that the defects caused by water
ingress did not prevent occupation and use of the premises and the learned judge was in
any event right to hold that the cesser of rent provision contained in clause 6.3 of the
leases was not triggered.
5. Even if the cesser of rent provision was triggered the tenants had no cause of action for
the return of the rent which they had paid and were not entitled to set off such sums or
any part of them against sums due to the landlord.
Section 9 Other applications
I wish to make an application for additional orders [3] in this section
in the Part 23 application
form (N244) attached
Part A
I apply (the respondent applies) for an order;(000000000001)00000004X that :-
(OUT OF TIME DO YOU GET THAT WELL UNLESS THEY HAVE FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES THIS IS RIDICULOUS WITH A HUGE LEGAL TEAM AND SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED.. THE CHEEK!!!!)
The Respondent has permission to file this Respondent's Notice out of time and
rely on the grounds set out at this Notice at the appeal
hearing, fixed to take place on 1st or 2nd May 2013
because:-
The Respondent was not in a position to file its Respondent's Notice or seek
permission to appeal within the time specified under Part 52(5)(b) of the Civil
Procedure Rules 1998 following the grant of permission to appeal, for the reasons
explained at this application
Part B
I (the respondent) wish(es) to rely on :
evidence in Part C witness statement (affidavit)
Part C
I (the respondent) wish(es) to rely on the following evidence in support of this application:-
The Appellants filed their Appellants's Notice and application for permission to
appeal in October 2010, within 21 days of the Order made. The Appellants also
applied for transcripts of the judgments appealed to be supplied at the public
expense. There were delays in the transcripts being procured and the Court granted
the Appellants permission to appeal on some grounds on 4 December 2012. The
Respondent's solicitors were served with notification that permission to appeal had
been granted on 5 December 2012.
The Respondent retained Counsel who dealt with the initial trial before His Honour
Judge Cowell in July and September 2010, to represent the Respondent in the appeal.
At the time that the Respondent's Notice and skeleton argument were due to be filed
(19 December 2012), Counsel was out of chambers. The Respondent notified the
Appellants and the Civil Appeals Office at the time to inform them of the
circumstances and to ask for an extension of time to file the Notice and skeleton
argument, in the event that it considered it was necessary to file the notice after
it had consulted with Counsel. The Civil Appeals Office informed the Respondent that
it should seek permission to file a Respondent's Notice when it subsequently filed a
Respondent's Notice. The filing of the Notice was subsequently delayed on Counsel's
return to chambers as she was then out of chambers for some time due to illness.
Given the passage of time since the conclusion of the original trial in September
2010 and the need to review transcripts of judgments made by His Honour Judge Cowell,
following the grant of permission, it was not possible for the Respondent to
formulate the ground of appeal for which permission is now sought and the alternative
grounds of appeal referred to at Section 6 of this notice by 19 December 2012.
Further, following a request in writing via email dated 14 December 2012, the
Respondent's solicitors received a copy of the Appeal Bundle which was before the
Court at the permission hearing from the Appellants' then advocate, Jan Luba QC, on
20 December 2012. (BLAH BLAH BLABBERY BLAH ARE YOU STILL WITH US)
Whilst the First Appellant initially objected to the Respondent's request for further
time to file its Respondent's Notice and skeleton argument in December 2012, she
subsequently sought further time by email on 19 December 2012 for the Appellants to
file and serve the Appellants' skeleton argument, to benefit from the assistance and
advice from the Bar Pro Bono Unit. The Respondent confirmed by email to the
Appellants and the Civil Appeals Office on 19 December 2012 that it had no objection
in principle but suggested that the directions remained sequential.
To date, the Appellants have yet to serve their skeleton argument and we understand
that the Bar Pro Bono Unit is no longer assisting the Appellants in relation to their
appeal. The Respondent has also been informed by email dated 2 April 2013 from the
First Appellant that she has also filed an application seeking to amend the grounds
of appeal before the court.
In those circumstances, the Respondent believes that no prejudice shall result to the
Appellants as a result of the late filing and service of the Respondent's Notice and
the application for permission to appeal, given that the contents of the bundles do
not require additional material to consider the Respondent's grounds.
Finally, the ground on which permission to appeal is sought formed part of the
submissions made to the trial Judge in the court below. Accordingly, the Respondent
avers that the Appellants shall not be prejudiced if permission to appeal is granted
out of time.
In all the circumstances, the Respondent respectfully requests that the Court grant
permission to file the Respondent's Notice out of time.
(OH GOD respectfully!!!)
WELL HERE IS MY REPLY...
TO THE COURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just in case they do have friends in high places)
Thu, 4 Apr 2013 at 13:18
13:18
FROM Scarlet Maguire Gallery TO 2 recipients
Re: Flores and Cracy v One Housing Group
IN RESPONSE TO A RESPONDENTS NOTICE FILED BY MS McINTYRE FOR THE LANDLORD
Dear Civil Appeals Office,
The respondents were given full latitude to reply to Jan
Luba QC’s representation at the permission to appeal hearing. They had a full
team of legal representatives to advance any response to the grounds for
permission to appeal and with respect they choose not to do so. That means that they are
out of time to put in a respondence notice at this stage to appeal the
permission to appeal grounds. Further at this time the claimant was represented
and we believe that the grounds that were appealed and won stand now. The claimant
in person asked at the permission to appeal to add further grounds and
permission to do this was granted. The respondents through choice were
confident that the permission to appeal hearing would fail given that they
choose not to appear.
It is now for the courts to decide if the claimant in
person’s further grounds can be simply added as she requested at the hearing
once further advice, which she had not received by then, ordered by LJ Ward for
her to get by LJ Ward could be considered by her.
Simply put she is appealing against a finding of Caveat
Lessee and has provided evidence that she is not relying on a finding of Caveat
Lessee for the issues of water ingresses, she is simply saying she was insured
against water ingresses and not that she was put to any trouble by the
installation of a glass pavement as Jan Luba QC rightly stated. The volunteer
at the pro bono advised that it was a ground she must appeal after the advice
was received and it had more that 50% chance of success in appealing this
ground. She has now done so through a N244 notice, which is with the Deputy
Master to be considered.
The other grounds of appeal backed by evidence are findings
of fact with irrefutable evidence to show they were incorrect in that the
claimant did ask for the structure to be fixed and the claimant says that there
was no insurance in place at the time of defects as the landlord had broken the
terms of the insurance and the respondent will have a copy of those grounds
once the notice has been sent to them through the Civil Appeals Office as is
procedure. We will be happy to respond to those individual points as pleaded in
the further grounds for permission to appeal if the respondent disputes those
individual points, to be helpful to the courts but we will not need to respond
to the Grounds already granted as stated above because the respondents choose
not to appear when given the chance and notice at the permission to appeal
hearing. Therefore those grounds still stand and the respondent is with respect
out of time. Except of course to argue those points at the appeal as they now
have the same counsel back in place who is capable at that hearing to put the
landlords point across at that hearing only and not through this notice before
the hearing. With respect it is too late for that, lets get the issues back
into court to be Judged by three judges in public.
On the few issues mentioned in this notice, the Section 25
Notice was dealt with at a hearing and it was decided by the judge that those
were issues that could only be dealt with at the end of the trial, which has
not finished yet.
We will be able to argue these issues in court at the appeal
and have for the duration of the trial argued that the Section 25 Notice was
served as an improper inducement as part of a harassment claim against the
landlord, added to the grounds for appeal.
The liability issue that Counsel now wants to deal with
through this notice and not at the appeal, with respect is underhand and as
stated is a ground for appeal not to be argued behind the scenes. We have given
reason and laws why we feel that absolute liability existed, with respect this
cannot be dealt with at this late stage and behind the scenes with this notice
and for that reason the notice should be refused as it would put the claimant
to much work advancing her case before a long awaited for hearing and would not
be judged in public with the help of an amicus to point towards the most
current of authorities for these very important points of law.
The respondents notice should be dismissed as time wasting,
vicious and a tactic from the respondents to divert from the real issues that
we are happy to argue in court, in public and fairly armed. With respect any
diversion from the already planned hearing will be seen as a sabotage and a
trick to get some issues out of the hearing.
It is further noted that the respondent’s notice is verbose
in the extreme and clutches at as many scenario’s as one could put in a notice
to be as unhelpful to the courts as possible and should be seen as very bad
conduct given the resources available to counsel at a full hearing in a month.
We
look forward to hearing about the Amicus and will be filing our full
skeleton once the further amended grounds are considered and the Amicus
can assist with the legal parts to back our arguments.
Kind Regards
Ms Flores
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From: Civil Appeals - CMSB <civilappeals.cmsB@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk>
To: 'Scarlet Maguire Gallery' <scarletmaguire@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 14:05
Subject: RE: Flores and Cracy v One Housing Group
Good afternoon
Please provide the Court of Appeal
reference number.
Many thanks
Miss Hannah Balsom
Case Management Section C
Room E311
Court of Appeal
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand
London
WC2A 2LL
Tel: 0207 947 7215
Fax: 0207 947 7679
Re: Flores and Cracy v One Housing Group
Dear Ms Balsom,The reference numbers are B5/2010/2396
The reference number of the claimants N244 Application is 2013/PI/10478.
The Respondents Notice, to which the reply below is in reference to, is the same as above B5/2010/2396 but it may help to have the DX reference which is LZM/SXP/Y059098.
Please let me know if you need anything further from me in terms of a full verbose reply to their application.
Kind Regards
Ms Flores
spaceshift...
in association with Scarlet Maguire Gallery
104-108 Cromer Street
London WC1H 8BZ
UK
tel: 00 44 (0) 20 7837 6680
mob: 07916 325037
mob: 07916 325037
Flores and Cracy v One Housing Group
Dear Civil Appeals Office,
Please note the skeleton for the respondent is out of time (even considering asking for an extension) and unless it is granted that permission to file their response is two weeks after they receive our skeleton, which with all due respect will be a day before the hearing, they are also out of time to file their skeleton and the Civil Appeals Office can under the CPR rules dismiss their application with full costs.
Kinds Regards
Ms Flores
Please note the skeleton for the respondent is out of time (even considering asking for an extension) and unless it is granted that permission to file their response is two weeks after they receive our skeleton, which with all due respect will be a day before the hearing, they are also out of time to file their skeleton and the Civil Appeals Office can under the CPR rules dismiss their application with full costs.
Kinds Regards
Ms Flores
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