Claim
No: CHY09015
IN
THE CENTRAL LONDON COUNTY COURT & NOW IN THE COURT OR APPEAL REF
B5/2010/2396
BETWEEN:
MS JO Flores (Nee: GAVIN) (1)
MS CHANTAL CRACY (2)
Claimants
and
COMMUNITY HOUSING ASSOCIATION LIMITED
Defendant
SKELETON II ARGUMENT ON BEHALF OF THE
CLAIMANTS
FOR Permission To appeal ON Dec 2011
1.
This case fundamentally can be resolved with
three documents. The 1st claimant took on a lease at 104 Cromer
Street, London, WC1H 9PB for the HQ of Youth Parliament in 2000. She
immediately suffered business interruption and put the defendant’s on national
TV to resolve the issues. She was awarded a year’s free rent. In 2004 the 1st
and 2nd Claimant took on the lease of 106-108 Cromer Street to
expand the Youth Parliament. They suffered business interruption throughout the
duration of the lease period because essentially the building broke all
national building regulations in that it breached part f because the building
was not fitted with airbricks. The landlord was aware of the building errors at
the time they leased the building and passed the building off as A3 planning.
The three document’s referred to are the initial request letter for the lease
of 106 Cromer Street asking for ‘standards’ to be maintained. The second document is a letter from the
claimant’s to the Commercial Manager Christopher Natt of CHA when they first
noticed their was no air in the building in 2005 and gave ‘notice’ that a claim
should be made to the building insurers for ‘theft’ since CHA had given money
to the previous owners to install ventilation and knew that they had not done
so. The third document is a letter from Woolf Simmonds solicitors on behalf of
the defendant threatening to sue their insurers if they did not pay the
claimants on the building disrepair issues and the business interruption claims
as even though the liability was the landlords they believed that they should
be covered even if they had done wrong which is why they took out liability
insurance to cover such events where they were at fault.
Hargroves, Aronson & Co -v-
Hartopp [1905] 1
KB 472
|
1905
CA
Lord Alverstone Nuisance, Landlord and Tenant Casemap
1 Citers
The tenants of a building of which the defendants were landlords sought damages after a rainwater gutter became stopped up and the defendants failed to clear it out for a few days after receiving notice of the stoppage. Held: The landlords were in breach of a duty of care to the plaintiffs and were liable for the damage done. If a building owner retains common parts which have to be maintained to protect the safe use of the demised properties, he has an obligation to take reasonable care that the parts he retains are not in such a condition as to cause damage to the tenant or to the premises demised.
Lord Alverstone said: "A person who maintains an artificial thing like a gutter used for the very purpose of carrying off the rainwater from the roof in an improper condition after notice may be said, in my opinion to be guilty of an act of commission, and he is, in my opinion, under a duty to take care that as a result of that act no damage happens to the occupants of the house."
CA
Lord Alverstone Nuisance, Landlord and Tenant Casemap
1 Citers
The tenants of a building of which the defendants were landlords sought damages after a rainwater gutter became stopped up and the defendants failed to clear it out for a few days after receiving notice of the stoppage. Held: The landlords were in breach of a duty of care to the plaintiffs and were liable for the damage done. If a building owner retains common parts which have to be maintained to protect the safe use of the demised properties, he has an obligation to take reasonable care that the parts he retains are not in such a condition as to cause damage to the tenant or to the premises demised.
Lord Alverstone said: "A person who maintains an artificial thing like a gutter used for the very purpose of carrying off the rainwater from the roof in an improper condition after notice may be said, in my opinion to be guilty of an act of commission, and he is, in my opinion, under a duty to take care that as a result of that act no damage happens to the occupants of the house."
File Volume D1/152a/152b held at the
Central London County Court in the Case of Gavin & Cracy vs Community
Housing Association. Case Number CHY09015.
Trial Dates: 13 days in July-Sept
2010.
Jaqui Greene Community Housing Association’s
Commercial Manager and independent business woman at ‘Block Management’
internal email sent to CHA management on the 15th August 2005.
'It is CHA's responsibility to
ensure the commercial units are free of damage. Undue care to carry out this
responsibility may result in the tenants of commercial units placing CHA on ‘notice’
which would then have to be ‘notified’ to CHA’s own indemnity insurance as the
tenant has the right to claim for damages, loss of business and loss of income
as well as anything else they can throw at CHA. If a commercial unit suffers
damage and loss they have the right to ‘withhold their rent’.
2. The Claimant’s are appealing the
Judgment given by His Honour Justice Peter Cowell given on the 9th
Sept 2010 at the Central London County Court and a second Judgment given on 22nd
Sept 2010 on the same day as the costs hearing because HHJ Cowell admitted he
had made a Judicial error and not read the ‘Submission On Liability On Behalf
Of The Claimants’ a crucial document of 92 pages, 245 paragraphs and referring
to over 300 further documents as evidence, which are the claimants legal
arguments. HHJ Cowell said he had only read the Defendant’s legal arguments
before Judgment because he thought that the claimants had sent him by email
instead of their own legal argument a copy of the defendant’s legal argument
because his honour said they looked so similar. This made the final Judgment on
the 9th Sept a one sided argument the Judgment therefore breaching
the human right’s act.
Article 6 of the Human
Right’s Act 1998 (1) In the determination of his
civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is
entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an
independent and impartial tribunal established by law.
3. More frequently cited in court than any other landlord and tenant
source, the law of ‘Woodfall’ under the Landlord & Tenants Act was used to
evict the claimants after the second Judgment despite their being no
outstanding rent payments so ‘Woodfall’ could not apply. It was cited by his
honour then that the claimant’s should have made an application for forfeiture
which seemed to miss the point that the application for forfeiture could only
be made after the issues of disrepair had been ironed out by the courts and the
decision as to whether the landlord had either trespassed or forfeited was yet
to be Judged. The two injunction’s on the shops were evidence this was not a
simple peaceable re-entry for non-payment of rent by the landlord but an act of
aggression for which the claimants had already brought to the attention of the
court hence this case. The injunctions therefore to protect our position and
businesses should have remained or at the very least it was for HHJ Cowell to
ask the defendant to apply for the injunction order to be varied in the light
of HHJ Cowell’s Judgment but that this should not have been dealt with on the
day of costs and with no preparation from the claimants to be in anyway capable
of even understanding the complex law of Woodfall at a second’s notice. That
being said the shops still remain empty and we believe that the injunction for
quiet enjoyment should be upheld pending the outcome of the trial to prevent further
theft of our refurbishment by the landlord not only stealing our shops but it
would seem they in the face of no takers for this smelly shop are resorting to
stealing our ideas too and have advertised as a business centre on short or
long term lets. Perhaps having noticed our public website stating they were
advertising A3 by deceit again (which we hold evidence of) they have at least
changed the planning to A1 on the to let sign on the 30th Nov 2011
but that again is actually incorrect as without Part F ventilation the place is
still completely illegal to trade from. We would further suggest that when we
are given the keys back and re-instated that our UKU building insurers put in
the ventilation as they held policy cover when notified and it was a pity that
when being given Quiet Enjoyment when we successfully held the injunctions it
was not ordered more specifically that the shops were to be repaired with
immediate effect so as business could commence.
4. The law of Guild v’s the Duke of Westminster was cited throughout
as the landlord’s defence. They pleaded they should be treated as a
neighbouring occupier. This was largely to do with ‘everyday use’ and
‘accidents’ but does not bring into the equation that they were in a
contractual obligation with the claimants to insure the building therefore they
were hardly seen as a neighbour.
Another law used was that of Southwark and Mills where again the
‘common use’ agenda is being used and more worryingly in this famous case of a
public landlord the issues of costs implications are being used when clearly in
our case any costs would simply be borne by the insurance cover on liability of
2 million. If things were put right as they should be this public landlord
would not pay 1p.
5. Let’s just pin down the issues in this case here and the laws that
are being used to take from the claimants their equity and to further put them
in financial debt to take away their businesses and in effect to rob them of
their personal homes. These are it has to be said huge burdens on two
individuals that the courts cannot take lightly in the Judgments made starting
because of a few leaks.
6. Twelve issues in short hand summary for ease of reference are; a)
Leaking pavement, 106, 6 months. b) Soil stack pipe crack, 104, 4 months. c)
Soil Stack pipe crack 6 months. d) Toilet Flooding Entire Gallery, 104, 4
months. e) Moulding flooded floor, 104, 33 months. f) Electrics, Room, cracked
pipe 5 months. g) Electrics, Room, cracked pipe 16 months. h) Electrics, Room,
cracked pipe 1 month. i) Leaking pavement 19 months. j) Leaking Pavement, 106,
4 months. k) No fire exits, 104 & 106, 84 months. l) No air, 106, 54
months.
The issues will be seen in a simple table form attached; Appendix 1
Water Ingresses, Appendix 2 Fire Escape, Appendix 3 Airbricks this is to be
helpful to the Court of Appeal.
Appendix 1.
a.) First issue of major water ingresses ‘an insured risk’ was at 106
Cromer Street in April 2004. This was resolved in 3 stages. 1st
stage, the leak was stopped on 1st November 2004, 2nd
stage in the absence of the landlord fixing the damage it was repaired by
builders paid for by the claimants on 14th and 15th Oct
2005, 3rd stage the insurers refunded the claimants on the 20th
January 2006.
b.) Second issue of major water ingresses ‘an insured risk’ was at
104 Cromer Street on the 14th Sept 2004. This was repaired in four
stages over four days on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and
5th of January 2005.
c.) Third issue of major water ingresses ‘an insured risk’ was at 106
Cromer Street on the 7th February 2005. This was resolved in four
stages, 1st stage 27th April 2005 the leak was stopped, 2nd
stage 2nd June 2005 incomplete repair with two walls left open, 3rd
stage in the absence of the landlord fixing the damage it was repaired by
builders paid for by the claimants on 14th and 15th Oct
2005, 4th stage the insurers refunded the claimants on the 20th
January 2006.
d.) Fourth issue of major water ingresses ‘an insured risk’ was at
104 Cromer Street on 24th June 2005. This was resolved in five stages
, 1st stage 25th & 26th June 2005 the claimants took
immediate action over two days to bring the gallery back to redecorated state,
2nd stage 29th June 2005 the defendants surveyor checked
the damage, 3rd stage 23rd August 2005 insurance claims form sent to
the claimant, 4th stage in the absence of the landlord fixing the
damage it was repaired by builders paid for by the claimants on the 13th
– 25th Oct 2005 with a loss adjuster from the insurance appearing on
the 14th Oct to assess the damage, 5th stage the insurers
refunded the claimants on the 20th January 2006.
e.) Fifth issue of major consequential material damage from the 24th
June 2005 water ingresses, ‘an insured risk’ was at 104 Cromer Street in early
2006. This was never resolved but for the purposes of this chronology, at the 1st
stage it was attended to by the claimants throughout with patch repairs until
Dec 2007, the 2nd stage in the absence of action from the landlord
the damaged area was removed completely in late Dec- New Year by the claimants
and two quotes were presented to the landlord for repair on Jan 3rd
and 4th 2008, 3rd stage in June 2008 the landlord improperly induced
the claimants to pay £5,000 for the repair or they would double the rent for
the next five years, 4th stage in July 2008 the claimants asked for
the ‘cessor of rent’ clause on the insurance to be triggered which was ignored,
5th stage the landlord issued a section 25 notice in Aug 2008 for
the rent to double at 104 Cromer Street, 6th stage rent demands were
forced upon the claimants or they would be evicted yet they could not trade the
claimants employed a local solicitor to deal with the section 25 notice and
issues of disrepair and the outstanding ‘liability’ for interruption to
business as well as excessive delays with the insurers not paying out, 7th
stage ‘One Housing Group’ took over management of both shops from CHA and
changed the due rent dates to the same date of payment, 8th stage
despite being forced to pay £6,000 in rent or we would be evicted with bailiff
action for two shops that were unusable and our solicitors telling the landlord
that they had already been unduly enriched by over £30,000 in rent when the
‘cessor of rent’ clause had not been triggered as well as stating that they
held over £30,000 of the claimant’s money on trust pending the insurance claims
regarding payment of rent the landlord now ‘One Housing Group’ 3 weeks after
taking over management purported to have not received the rent cheques we sent
and broke into both shops in Oct 2008, 9th stage the claimants
re-entered after they showed by personal delivery receipt of now on-line ‘proof
of payment’ of £6,000 of rent to the finance office of OHG HQ, 10th
stage the landlord’s ignored proof of payment and 4 days later broke back into
both shops, 11th stage Nov 2008 the claimants showed proof of
payment at the Queen’s Bench at the High Court and were forthwith granted two
injunctions and re-entered the premises the next day once the landlord were
presented with the injunctions and had to hand back the now new keys as the
locks were broken each time they entered and the fire exits nailed down, 12th
stage both parties (the claimants to the insurance case yet the defendants to
the trespass but still for some reason called the claimants although they were
‘defending’ an aggressive action of unlawful trespass and the stealing of both
their fully refurbished businesses), appeared in court the leaseholders in
person and the defendant’s appeared in the High Court with a QC in Nov 2008, 3
weeks after the injunctions were granted, to present argument in the case of
trespass or as the landlord put it forfeiture. The 2nd claimant
although she had no part to the case or any action to re-enter was added to the
case without her consent because the QC assumed she had money as was Youth
Parliament’s social investor but had already lost her house to pay for interest
on loans that were spiralling out of control because we had not been refunded
on the ‘liability’ case of massive business interruption and to continue paying
for shops we could not use until that matter was resolved and the name of the
trespasser ‘One Housing Group’ was changed to their previous name, which no
longer existed ‘Community Housing Association’ to save the new landlords
reputation. The Judge ordered that the injunctions remain after argument from
Ms Jo Flores and proof of payment. The judge further ordered that Quiet
Enjoyment be given to the leaseholders and that the case of disrepair and
liability for business interruption as well as whether the ‘cessor of rent’
clause should have been triggered be put to the county court before the issue
of unlawful trespass or forfeiture could be assessed. The Judge asked that the
matters be dealt with at speed and that ‘particulars of claim’ be presented in
3 weeks by the leaseholders. 13th stage the solicitors for the
landlord needed more time to put together their defence and counter claim and
wrote to the leaseholders asking for more time. The leaseholders said they
would certainly give more time but that the Quiet Enjoyment order was to be
observed and a claim for the repairs at both shops needed to be put back to the
insurers so that the leaseholders could trade. This was ignored throughout the
run up to the trial and despite asking for the bills for the current building
insurance cover they were never presented to the leaseholders. The Judge had
ordered that the rent was not to be paid by the leaseholders while they were
proceeding through the county court’s as the leaseholders believed the landlord
had over £30,000 in rent belonging to them. The case took two years to get to
trial and both shops were left still without repair, which were insured risks.
Both the landlords and the leaseholders surveyors stated that the current
repairs of thousands of pounds were insured risks. The repairs remain
outstanding but can be simply claimed for on the buildings insurance when the
case is finished and the leaseholders are ‘re-instated’, which is also another
‘insured risk’ fully covered as is ‘trespass’ on the current Zurich insurance
cover a cover as stated above we have suspiciously not been allowed to access.
f.) Sixth issue of major water ingresses ‘an insured risk’ was in the
electricity room for the entire building located directly wall to wall between
both 104 and 106 shops on the lower ground floor level and below a residential
block of apartments, in June 2005. The strength of the leak subsided in Nov
2005.
g.) Seventh issue of major water ingress ‘an insured risk’ was in the
electricity room for the entire building located directly wall to wall between
both 104 and 106 shops on the lower ground floor level and below a residential
block of apartments from June 2006 to January 2008, when the leak suddenly
stopped.
h.) Eighth issue of major water ingress ‘an insured risk’ was in the
electricity room for the entire building located directly wall to wall between
both 104 and 106 shops on the lower ground floor level and below a residential
block of apartments from May 2008 to June 2008. The leak was finally stopped
and internal pipe work fixed on 23rd June 2008. The water damaged
fireboard casing was never replaced leaving 10 water pipes in the same room as
high voltage electrical meters and cables. No ventilation in this room meant it
is was a fire risk as pointed out by the environmental health and the fire
brigade and the courts heard from the defendants QC that they entire block does
not hold a legally required fire certificate nor have the CHA had a fire
certificate since the publically funded refurbishment in 1999, which means the
building has not been inspected. This voids the entire building insurance
policy as an act of omission. However policy cover would be established by
Royal & Sun Alliance as an extra liability insurer the landlord holds 2 million
pounds cover with for ‘liability’ in the event of fire damage or accidental
death.
i.) Ninth issue of major water ingress ‘an insured risk’ was at 106
Cromer Street in June 2006. The was repaired in three stages, 1st
stage on the 4th Oct 2006 an ineffective repair was carried out
which caused more material damage 2nd stage on the 16th
Oct 2006 finally the water ingress was stopped. The damage to the internal
parts of the building was fixed on the 10th August 2007.
j.) Tenth issue of major water ingress ‘an insured risk’ was at 106
Cromer Street at the beginning of June 2008 this repair was never fixed.
Appendix 2.
k.) Eleventh issue of major disrepair were the fire exits a means of
safe escape ‘an insured risk’ were defective from December 2004 to Sept 2007
for 106 Cromer Street and May 2000 to Sept 2007 for 104 Cromer Street.
Appendix 3.
l.) Twelfth issue of major disrepair no ventilation a structural
defect, ‘an insured risk’ was at 106 Cromer Street from April 2004, to date
this has not been fixed.
7. The above 12 issues have been defended with landlords and tenants
law. However all the above was not refuted in court save for a couple of days
in giving ‘notice’ which was argued like splitting hairs when it had nothing to
do with the facts undisputed and the simple fact that every issue was an
insured risk. Judge Cowell neither argued nor gave Judgment on the untimely
conduct of the landlord. This was one of the most important issues to address
and yet we see nothing in the Judgment that makes reference to the twelve
issues and the fact that they were insured and should have been Judged
individually to establish ‘liability’ with the landlords insurer who would then
have to pay the landlord to refund us.
8. Although we do not have the transcripts of the Judgment of the 9th
Sept 2010 below are the notes taken by the claimants:
HHJ Cowell: The defendant sought to forfeit entrance by
peaceable re-entry on 29th Oct 2008.
13. Jo Flores
Comments: There is no explanation as to why and on what grounds. However it is
noted that the correct term ‘sought to forfeit’ is used, since the claimants
have always contented this was illegal, no legal forfeiture occurred hence they
contend (although being often pushed to do so) there is no need to apply for
relief. Instead the claimants went to the High Court and obtained two
injunctions to re-enter with a proviso for quiet enjoyment in that the landlord
was to fix the issues (through making insurance claims) that were currently
rendering the Claimants incapable of trading and subject to all the issues of
disrepair to be dealt with regard to liability at trial.
The (as this
was not stated) landlord entered on the ground of non-payment of rent which the
claimants believed not only was not owed and had anyway to the date of entry and
beyond that been paid (disputed by the landlord as they say they lost the
cheque paid by the claimants so then the claimants paid on-line and delivered ‘evidence’
of payment to avoid the second break and entry, which still took place) so
constituted trespass and unlawful breaking and entering twice not withstanding that
the ‘cessor of rent clause’ (6iii) should have been in operation as stated by
the claimants solicitors (shown to the courts) before both break ins. Further
that there where in the past countless issues of disrepair that had delayed
payment of rent (so lease clause for non-payment could not be invoked) on many
occasions until the issues were resolved, (Guild) so there were historic
examples of how the said current
dispute in Oct 2008 and subsequent issue of a ‘section 25 notice’ and ‘threat’
to double the rent constituted ‘harassment’ added with breaking and entering
were ‘over zealous’ and actions open to legal argument as to the ‘history’.
Further that the claimants believe they were ‘actions’ to ‘conceal the
evidence’ and the ‘breaching of Part F building regulations’ and or further
evidence of disrepair.
It was stated
at the hearing of 14th Nov 2008 by Justice Clarke that the claimants
had ‘always’ paid the rent as a gesture of goodwill despite the claim by the
Claimants that the landlord was holding £31,292 (the Claimants claimed was owed
to the Claimants due to the ‘cessor of rent’ clause 6iii in the leases when
they building was not in use) representing part of £59,500 paid by the
Claimants in ‘trust’ (until ‘liability’ was established and partly because of
‘fear’ of any lawfully actionable eviction as happened ‘dubiously the moment
the landlord gave themselves the chance on ‘dodgy’ grounds) until outstanding
issues of repair had been resolved with the landlords being as it were that
they were ‘indemnified by their insured’ so they should make a claim under the
clause with which they were covenanted to do so in terms of the lease for
repairing obligations to the building insurers and all liable actions/inaction compensated under
clause 7(ii).
14. HHJ Cowell: There was a court ex party hearing on 4th
Nov before Justice Clarke and on the 14th Nov 2008, for the
claimants to ‘remain’ and further the claimants should ‘specify the nature of
claims’, which as such amounted to a ‘counter claim’, which would indicate ‘no
rent’.
15. JF
Comments: No mention of two high court injunctions and that it was at the
claimant’s request that the full case of ‘disrepair’ on numerous issues be
brought to the Central London County Court. Plus the way this has been said
about indicating no rent is an error in the procedural way it is described.
16. HHJ Cowell: On 4th Nov 2008 part of the
claimant’s particulars seemed very difficult to obtain what the causes of
action were.
17. No
mention of an order by HHJ Cowell suggesting that the causes of action were
better particularised because of a complaint by the defendants that this be
done (the claimants had enlisted the help of a lawyer friend Ms Woods to date a
specialist in immigration only, to help particularise their complaints to save
cost and format properly as they could not afford lawyers so would fall foul in
some administrative way to perhaps harshly be unable to proceed, with the case
being highly likely to be thrown out on these administrative grounds at an
early stage). It was then and only then that the claimants (already put to
undue expense with the break in leading them to the courts) were forced to pay
for ‘specialist’ landlords and tenants counsels assistance to ‘satisfy’ the
courts.
In a judgment
that HHJ Cowell himself described as ‘surreal’ the better and professionally
clearer particulars were ‘not accepted’ and they were ‘dismissed’. The
claimants at times do plead for example in the new particulars, derogation from
grant, harassment contrary to section 1 of the protection from harassment act
1997, by virtue of section 3 of the said act entitling the Claimants to civil
remedy in respect of the harassment including damages, as well as various other
relevant causes of action quiet enjoyment (which was allowed but too was in the
originals), nuisance, expressed terms in the leases. They also state a breach
of the ‘cessor of rent’ clause 6(iii) with the single joint expert having
further ‘assessed’ by that point, the amount as £45,365.00 owed back to the
Claimants by the landlord if liability was established. Further and/or in the
alternative, by virtue of sub-clause 5(12)(c) of the leases, there is an
implied term that the Defendant had a ‘duty’ to examine decorate repair and
rebuild the structure of the demised premises. Further, pursuant to section 4
of the Defective Premises Act 1972, such implied term places the landlord under
an obligation to the tenant for that description of maintenance or repair of
the premises. Further in breach of the said expressed term for quiet enjoyment
and/or the said implied term the Defendant failed to keep safe the fire escape
areas.
Finally the
Claimants asked for an order that the Defendants take all steps to prevent
further water penetration, to remedy the damage that remains to be repaired.
For the defendants to install an adequate number of airbricks to ventilate (as
planning cannot be obtained by the tenant) and to remedy such damage as remains
to repair.
The claimants
did all the above at a total cost of £22,000 for counsel. This has been
overlooked by HHJ Cowell in his honours final judgment of the 9th
Sept 2010 and suspiciously no real reference was made to this within the
bundles made up by the Defendants solicitors for which only one copy was given
to the Claimants on the day before trial with no time to assess any missing
data of which there was a substainsial amount within the 19 bundles and no time
to familiarise themselves with the rearranged order which had been changed from
the original bundles in which so much had also been duplicated unnecessarily
and as the judge became aware vital
parts were missing too, including very suspiciously email evidence that
the landlord has threatened to sue their insured and their insured threatened
them to back down. Noted too was that all this was at considerable expense with
several copies in the court to the many unknown people who were in there
watching on the defendants side of the court. HHJ Cowell stated at the time
25th March 2010 that the more professionally particularised causes of action put
together by specialist lawyer Vikram Sachdiva of 39 Essex were not in his view the
‘relevant ones’ (causes) anyway and so it was that our newer and very costly amended
particulars were very early on in the case thrown out which is again the
subject of why we feel we did not have a fail trial and were nearly very well
costed out or thrown out if we did not act on advice by the courts.
Judge Cowell
said by way of justification at the time that he ‘now understood the case
better and that all leaks were outside of the building and out of our control’.
His honour ruled to keep the ‘original’ particulars as he ‘now understood’ the
claimants original particulars, which are now again the subject of strong
criticism. One could say, ‘you can’t have it both ways’ with justification as
to say there are ‘no causes of action’ correctly particularised with this
background properly stated leaves a lot to de desired in terms of fairness.
This too gives rise to the fact that the issues are arguably ‘not dealt with’. The
previous causes of action need to be analysed by the court of appeal to check
whether this first Judgment was either ‘harsh’ and/or whether we have been
‘mislead’ and that our original particulars of claim should not back then have been
allowed to proceed wasting our time and money to proceed with particulars that
would later be ruled as not good enough. We feel we assisted the court and the
other side, which took a lot of time and money and were dismayed since this was
done by us on the judge’s advice/order that this issue was again brought up.
There is something fortunately in law that does not penalise applicants on the
grounds of how things are said or presented these days as used to be the case
in the old days. They got rid of that. So using this ‘particulars not
formulated properly’ but saying one ‘understands’ now is rather odd and maybe
illegal to judge against us these days. We were also ordered to pay the other
sides costs regardless of the outcome for wasting their time. This exercise
amounted to an estimated further cost to us the Claimant of about £42,000 in
total (borrowed money as we had lost far too much to get stopped in getting
justice now) in being helpful to the courts, when in the end the courts
preferred the original particulars which only cost us a few hundred pounds, yet
would use them effectively against us in this judgement.
HHJ Cowell
did however allow our ‘schedules’ in the amended particulars of claim, which
are a coherent table of all the incidences, dates reported, dates repaired,
description of damage and date resolved by the defendant. This Judge Cowell
stated was ‘very helpful’ and it was also much closer to what HHJ Clarke had
ordered on the 14th Nov 2008 too, rather than a list of ‘events’ as
HHJ Cowell put it more like an inquiry which did not serve the courts or make
his honours job easier his honour said. The Claimants still now and back then
too felt it was important to state the sequence of ‘events’ that lead to the
‘harassment’ and ‘unlawful eviction’ to save a claim and potentially cause
exposure for the large scale, well known and politically and judicially
connected (Their chairperson’s brother is the Master of the Roles) social
landlord One Housing Group and all those associated with this claim behind the
scenes.
A recent
judgement although not necessarily relevant but could be potentially to the
Claimant (as may explain such a costly and rigorous defence) said: that these
social landlords were indeed ‘to be viewed as public bodies’ and therefore open
to ‘Judicial Review’ due to their influential political connections. This case
may well as is likely have had larger consequences for the (One Housing Groups
probably why they took the name out of the hearing preferring to use CHA the
old name) landlords funding which could be legally ‘suspended’ if found guilty
as well as their public reputation in tatters letting excrement be allowed for
nearly three months to run down our walls in the most beautifully refurbished
space and as the Mayor of Camden ‘our witness’ put it ‘how does this give
confidence to the treatment of the residential tenants’ which was giving the
Mayor as well as the head of the residents association our other ‘witness’ grave
concerns’. The Claimants say this because there are legalities involved too.
It must also
be noted that in 2003 Prime Minister Gordon Brown made significant changes in
the status and role of RSL’s Residential Social Landlords in that they would be
the ‘preferred providers’ as opposed to the ‘local authority’ to get housing
Government funding to build new housing stock further de-centralising local
Government and worth billions to the RSL’s in terms of public and private
finances and although we are not any part of the landlords social do good-ing
we may well have inadvertently as a commercial tenant exposed their failures
which would not bear well for the political agenda of the day. It is very sad
for the Claimants to have very well, potentially fallen foul of such a powerful
dynamic. In which case we may need to go to Europe to get justice as there can
be little trust with this politics/and or greed (insurance ‘commercial
decision’) in this country.
There was one
more counsel involved Mr Marc Beaumont who charged £10,000 and was double
booked and ill prepared on the day he appeared for us (and also he later
claimed to be best friend with the other sides QC’s husband and told us to back
down as it wasn’t ‘winnings on the lottery’ and well known of Judge Cowell). We
asked that a cause of action be ‘Fraud’ which was suggested to HHJ Cowell who
said it was ‘fraught with difficulties’ so again ‘deceit’ as in ‘fraud’ that
was left out.
Finally three
extra amendments were also allowed they are:
The Claimants’ business plan was:
(a) to use 104 as an art gallery
(b) to use 106 as a multifunctional space available for hire
(c) to establish an independent Youth Parliament economy
(d) to develop a business model with Spaceshift which could
be franchised by young people throughout the UK
3(A) There were express terms of both leases that the
Claimants should have quiet
enjoyment of the 104 and 106 as against the landlord and all persons claiming
title through the landlord.
3(B) The Claimants at all material times operated the
businesses of an art gallery (“Scarlet Maguire”) and multifunctional space
available for hire (“Spaceshift”) from 104 and 106.
18. HHJ Cowell: A broad outline:
Insurers to pay; -
April 2004 Glass Bricks Pavement let water through. Best to
understand this look at G1.71 in fact shows repairs with gap at the edge of the
paving, which let water in.
19. We disagreed
as in our ‘schedules’ it is in fact stated that ‘wear and tear’ of the asphalt
sealant on the pavement was NOT insured as stated by us in the trial and is
proven in the insurance documents. The wording ‘edge’ of the pavement by HHJ
Cowell is ‘misleading’ and fits the landlord’s defence in that the defendants
made an (bogus) insurance claim that BT lifted the pavement in order to cover
this as an insurance job on the first occasion it leaked (April 2004 claim made
in Nov 2004) and could not get cover on any other further occasion it leaked as
the landlord was not indemnified for gradual ‘wear and tear’ of a public
pavement. We believe the defendant lied about this to get the repair covered by
the insurers after seven months delay when they accepted no liability and where
they claimed and maintained even throughout the hearing that they did not own
this pavement. It was proved by the claimant and ruled as such in this
judgement that they did in fact own the pavement and they did not demise it to
the claimants.
It can been
seen and needs to be stated that the broken sealant was across the pavement and
not just around the edges as can be seen clearly in the said exhibit.
20. HHJ Cowell: Sept 2004. Repairs to ‘gaps’ were done by
Kingsbury Company, which originally inserted the glass bricks and dealt with.
21. JF
Comments: There is no mention of the claimants assertion throughout trial and
is as seen in number 7 Of their particulars that it was only after much denial
from the defendants and protracted efforts by the claimants to find out who was
responsible and therefore liable for fixing the pavement in what amounts to a
‘very expensive’ repair (they couldn’t afford) which was not on the claimants
premises but affecting them severely that it was the claimants (and never the
landlord) who tried to mitigate their loss and to attempt to find out how to
get the repair done at the cost of being forced in mortgaging one of the
Claimants houses rather than go out of business owing £30,000 in small loans
with growing interest as setting up capital expenditure. The claimants as seen
in Jo Gavin’s (Flores) witness statement got a quote from ‘Luxcrete’ the name
on the glass brick area of the pavement of £20,000. Despite this extortionate
quote the claimants had already put too much money into the refurbishment as
well as bills, rent and business rates so they made a decision (with the advice
of professional friends in the Dept of Health and City Lit who thought the
place was a goldmine and we should not lose our capital at this early stage) it
would be better to pay and argue about it later for the sake of their business.
This is again similar to the claimant’s attitude when paying £3,500 for the
flooded ceiling to be replaced. It was stated throughout the case that when
‘Luxcrete’ (not Kingsbury as stated) then told Ms Gavin that they personally
did not do the sealing of the asphalt they had just laid the structural part (sealing
is a job involving a large lorry of burning asphalt and five professional
builders) but would find for us the claimants the company who did the original
job as they would be specialised and more local, it was only then that the name
Kingsbury Construction was given to the claimants by Luxcrete, the claimants
realised immediately was the defendants contractor who had converted the entire
building as seen on a plaque on the building for the ‘Kingsbury Construction’
refurbishment 1999 recently completed with public funds. The defendant through
Jaqui Greene then immediately ‘admitted liability’ which they had tried to
conceal and the job was then done on instruction from the landlord in the next
two days by the landlord’s contractor Kingsbury and paid for by the assisted by
the BT story (bogus) insurance claim.
22. HHJ Cowell: 20th Jan 2006 – Insurances paid
£150 excess £100 briefly described as rainwater ingress, D3 75.
23. This issue
which is the same pavement as above was not and still is not an insured risk it
involves planned bi-annual maintenance by the landlord as it would breach the
lease that ‘we are to be protected from the elements’ (much like a roof) as
proved at trial. There is no mention of delays here or interestingly what exactly
this payment refers to, nor as claimed in the Claimants particulars that led to
trial no mention that the landlord ‘failed to effect insurance claims’ except
for this tardy claim very much later on as complained by us as a cause of
action for damages for breach of quiet enjoyment that it would seem is now
completely overlooked as if it is just a mere fact without delay.
24. HHJ Cowell: The second matter this was in Sept 2004 –
Waste stack sewage from the flats above entering to the rear wall demised at
104 leaked/damaged the wall with odour sewage permeates.
25. JF
Comments: HHJ Cowell is stating it was Sept 2004 as claimed by us after looking
at the evidence disputed by 5 months by the Defendants who said the repair took
just a few days in Feb 2005.
26. HHJ Cowell: Jan/Feb 2005 the defendant’s contractor
replaced the rear wall.
The leak was stopped on the 31st Jan 2005 and
replacements later.
Insurers paid £100- £150 somewhat misleading which is
immaterial 27th April 2004.
27. JF
Comments: Please clarify this point, as it is important. The leak did not occur
from April 2004. However, there was another leak in April 2004 in the same
location, where the wall had to be replaced, which was dealt with far quicker
therefore no complaint was not made by the Claimants nor forms any part of this
trial. Why then mention the insurance paid for something at a later date that
maybe they did not. Did they ever pay for this repair or did they even know
about it, this is not clear.
28. HHJ Cowell: No sooner had that leak been dealt with then
another occurred on the 7th Feb 2005 with a small drop in the
basement bathroom from the waste stack, which passed down very close to the
rear wall. This leak was stopped on 26th April but we’ll hear much
more about then in due course.
29.JF
Comments: No mention of
which premises as it was the shop next door at 106 or the fact that the leak
was of imminent health and safety danger as was foul waste excrement clearly
showing and was stopped again with a delay (a breach of an expressed obligation
for quiet enjoyment and hazardous waste) of two and half months. Repairs to put
back the new walls were done much later leaving exposed sewage pipes visible.
30. HHJ Cowell: Insurers paid nothing in relation to that
but this was the 3rd matter I dealt.
31. Our case
states the insurers still did not know as the insurance was not triggered with
speed an expressed obligation in the leases to insure and later we fixed the
wall as the Defendants were too slow to do so and we were paid by the insurance
later so above is incorrect.
32. HHJ Cowell: 25th June 2005 – Leak inundated
the gallery one week before an exhibition. 14th Oct 2005- Cost after
£100, eventually paid direct as were all to the claimants.
33. JF
Comments: Major flooding from ceiling overnight so the description of leak
really not accurate. The claimants paid for the ceiling replacement not merited
or mentioned. Anything eventually paid was because the Claimants demanded it to
be paid back by getting in touch with the insurers agent directly and made a
lengthy complaint regarding business interruption save that the landlord may
have never effected a claim or told their insured but for our letter to the
landlord asking for compensation of £10,000 in total to be put back to the position
we would have been had these delays not happened therefore the material damage
claim was eventually put to the insurance and they paid material damage but
then investigated liability and said that the landlord failed to mitigate its
own losses and were therefore liable and/or had breached the terms of their own
insurance so would not be indemnified to pay us through the landlord to get
compensation as was normally covered by the insurance under the property owner
liability POL therefore the landlord was breaching the leases to of clause
7(ii) and quiet enjoyment and nuisance and building regulations and health and
safety environmental health and not acting with speed to mitigate losses for
which the claimants were entitled under the insurance to business interruption
as it was a building issue not a contents one. It is expressed in the lease
that we cannot cover the building separately with insurance cover. So us not
getting covered were in fact due to the landlord’s failures solely.
34. HHJ Cowell: 20th June 2006 - £3141.65p other
sum £3,441.65p, which was sent by the insurer in the form of a cheque to the
claimants.
35. JF
Comments: This was exactly the borrowed money that had been paid out by the
claimants to builders to fix the premises to mitigate further losses as history
had shown the landlord would fail to repair making the claimants go out of
business waiting.
36. HHJ Cowell: In view of the considerable arguments and
many authorities referred to by Ms Bhaloo to determine what was demised to the
claimants and what was: -
37. JF
Comments: Unequal footing with claimants not legally trained in understanding
of the authorities but common sense did prevail despite the length of the
argument and the advantages to the landlord in terms of their QC paid for by
the ‘building insurers of the claimants and the landlord’, (a commercial
decision we suspect to save a now larger claim, re-insurance, conflict of
interest etc). The demise was not the pavement as was argued by the landlords
QC.
38. HHJ Cowell: Leases both are similar
39. Lease A 340 – 17th March 2005 106-8 term was
7th April £9,000 annual.
Demised premises are defined clause 1 sub clause 2 –
Expression; Internal plaster, exterior and interior plaster.
40. JF
Flores: All expressed so none can be implied
41. HHJ Cowell: All non load-bearing walls – boards served
42. JF
Comments: Very important no structural walls
43. HHJ Cowell: Conduits – public systems
I’ve read that because the question is are the pavements
included in the demise.
In my judgement not part not mentioned, only coverings of
ceiling demised, clause designed to demise as little as possible: Conclusion on
that!
44. JF
Comments: Very important point
45. HHJ Cowell: Importance of point – duty of repairing
demised the rest to the claimants.
Under lease – No duty to repair gaps in pavement lights –
not to say anyone does extent of duty defendants do but we’ll come to that.
46. JF
Comments: It is their pavement which leaks into us so it cannot be Caveat
Emptor, as an ‘expressed obligation’ in the lease is to be protected from the
elements i.e. rainwater stated in our final submission on liability and legal
argument, admittedly the Judge did not read.
47. HHJ Cowell: It hardly needs saying the stack is not
demised.
The defendants had a right to enter for purpose of
repairing, lease enables or empowers – Also repair retained premises.
Plans one could be forgiven for concluding 106-8 where as
ground floor is not in (availability?)
48. JF
Comments: Need notes from other side which were requested as we have read that
they ‘have to provide’ us with them as law since we are claimants in person but
as per usual in this case the courts are trying to put us to more expense
getting costly and time consuming transcripts and the other side are saying
nothing when they know they have a duty to provide. The whole thing seemed tied
up between them and we feel throughout very much treated as non-legal so
therefore it is harder to argue even what we know to be correct making us
easier to take advantage of, which is again points of order and lack of
fairness in this trial.
49. HHJ Cowell: Not demised stack / Pavement –
106-8, pipe encased, it couldn’t be seen, in the wall
plaster board casing G1 77-80-81.
The defendant’s retained rights if pipes are on the demised
premises to enter in order to repair it. Clause 2, A3 page 346.
Tenants covenant: Clause 5.12 c (vi) permits landlord and
certain others to enter to repair-
50. JF
Comments: However they don’t have to use this unless there is an expressed obligation
to repair (with speed), for which there was, for the contractors/others to be
paid for by insurances to enter.
51. This is as gooder moment as any to mention the leases:
A3 143 – definitions expression the insured risks, loss of
damage by fire risks etc etc etc
52. JF
Comments: Throughout this trial the claimants bore in mind the directions of
Justice Clarke to show which insurances covered which risks. Bundles D1, D2, D3
and F1 specifically deal with insurance and what was covered as directed by the
high courts to include. This formed a substantial part of the trial so the use
of the words etc etc etc is belittling the serious issues in exact and
appropriate wording. Which is happening throughout this judgement, leaving
points out completely as if they do not matter.
53. HHJ Cowell: It is evident that the insurers paid for
four different leaks including escape of water- 343 5 sub-clause 3a – Tenant to
pay landlord due proportion of the premium.
371. 7(2) Covenant by the landlord to insure the premises
against insured risks, convenient speed – subject to lay out and apply rebuild
etc.
54. JF
Flores: ‘Convenient Speed’ important point and the fact that the defendant had
a whole maintenance team (large scale contractors whose clients include the
Ministry Of Defence MOD) at their disposal that provided for ceiling
replacements for example are very relevant.
55. HHJ Cowell: Number of provisions in fact insurance money
went direct to the claimants.
56.JF
Comments: Yes as we chased were as the defendant sat back
57. HHJ Cowell: There is an oddity – 5 (1) Service charge
payments clause 6 below nothing to do with service charges – so no service
charges in this case.
58. JF
Comments: This has been extensively referred to in our submissions on liability
59. HHJ Cowell: Clause 5 (6) Para 6 pages A3 356 – Covenant
by claimants to repair and every part thereof:
A3 – 69 – Cessor of rent clause stress unfit for occupation
of use. Suspended –fit for occupation.
60. JF
Comments: Why stress but not justify? This point is worth the rent taken while
we could NOT use the building. This is not a judgement we can either understand
or has been explained with any reason and since it is the point of the whole
reason it went to court needs some form of understandable Judgement needs to be
put in place.
61. HHJ Cowell: In fact as I shall say now: There was not an
occasion when the premises were not ‘wholly’ and therefore that clause did not
come into operation. Odd fair proportion. There it is-
62. JF
Comments: Nothing odd about a fair proportion it is our building insurers too
as we pay a part. This is not judged or justified as to why it was not seen as
unfit for purpose by his honour in what amounts to 5000 days of disrepair.
63. HHJ Cowell: For this judgment is divided into chapters:
focusing on causes of action. The
claimants are seeking to rely on covenants implied on the landlord to repair
the demised unless statute provide to repair Landlords and Tenants Act 1985 –
64. JF
Comments: No not true and HHJ Cowell had not read our submissions on liability
making ‘expressed terms’ apply, which are never mentioned once in this judgment.
Nor is the fact that our evidence was asked to be put into an email as QC Ms
Bhaloo acting for the defendant was allowed to keep (under constant protest by
Ms Flores to the Judge) Jo Flores in the witness box very unfairly for four
days making the trial of 10 days ‘run out of time’ and it was not extended to
let our evidence be aired in the court of law which can hardly be considered to
be ‘fair’ especially when now HHJ Cowell is using terms that are completely
inaccurate re our causes of action being implied when clearly they were not as
implied is as is very well known is very difficult to argue and would suggest
that the terms were left out which they clearly were not.
Insurance
covered all repairs and neither party had to repair. Speed is the key, which is
expressed.
The pavement
the key is the ‘element’, which is expressed.
The fire
exits are building regulations.
The
electricity cupboard is nuisance and the key is ‘notice’.
The air or
lack of is not caveat emptor it is deceit and continues to be for a new tenant
as advertised and it is a breach of building regulations in a building
converted by less than 7 years in 2004.
The contract
is ‘void’ from the start and all losses stem from that cause.
Hazardous
substances are a matter for building regulations too as clearly they burst all
the time.
So this
judgement is surreal.
65. HHJ Cowell: Skeleton argument terms of lease and true
construction, implied obligations on lessor’s part.
Exceptionally – Implied exterior – maybe Barrell Nova or 1
all England reports 151, correlative obligations 357 a b demands it.
Similarly a lessor is not bound the insurance does owe
duties – justice …… in the case of Vorell v’s Security Archives 60 – 258-
66. JF
Comments: This is not an insurance case (although the Financial Ombudsman
Service FOS is investigating AXA’s ‘commercial decision’ and partisan legal
cover in backing the landlord as well a Royal Sun Alliance’s actions through
Anna Norrie of Plexus Law as well as other issues of concern re the satellite
dispute between the two insurers) or we would be suing them, they are
effectively a third party of the defendant. The defendant did, as time and time
again submitted, breach the terms of his or her own insurance and breached in
doing so the expressed terms of the leases 7(ii) to effect insurances with
speed. So whom ever they used as an excuse it is still an excuse and the
initial ‘cause’, which lead to all the other issues. Had they not breached the
terms then, there would perhaps have been a smoother transaction. The initial
cause is the ‘breach’ of lease covenants.
67. HHJ Cowell: In this case: Defendants in no way stood in
the way.
68. JF
Comments: They did they breached the terms directly ‘standing in the way’ of
what back then would have amounted to a small claim which would have been paid
had they raised their hands to POL property owner liability part of the policy
cover instead of a protracted defence to date of facts and/or if they had been
the ones who put it to their insured some other bogus story (not suggesting
that they should but history shows that they do that) as they had done before
instead of putting in ‘my worded” claim which clearly was accusing them of
being liable ‘(the truth’) as I suggested to them when I wrote the draft they
asked me to write, I said ‘are you sure you want me to put this to your
insured? They effectively made the claim blaming themselves by putting in my
draft without my permission, not me when Tushar Shar the financial Controller
of OHG sent off my draft which was only to them and (I specified that), when
they could have just paid to put us back to our original position or used other
methods of compensation by way of rent set off or cessor at the time seeing as
they could see and knew they were clearly responsible because of mainly Mr UK
their surveyor. They stood in the way through incompetence, harassment and
fraud and further they delayed in providing reports from Jaqui Greene and MR UK
through to the loss adjusters (In the witness box Mr UK incredibly admitting in
the end the meant to be independent loss adjuster Alan Hines wrote Mr UK’s
statement himself). Finally us the Claimants being in touch with the insured,
the Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Barry Goodwin in the government, the Housing
Ombudsman, The Housing Minister, the local MP, The local Mayor, the CEO of UKU
(our building insurance) Paul Smith, the local press Camden New Journal, the
Sun, the Mirror, the Guardian, The Times, The New York Times, Radio 4, Private
Eye, The Housing Times, Community Care Magazine, BBC, Sky News, Press
Association, Reuters, Dom Littlewood and other investigative journalists and
social media sites etc and Alan Harris our professional counterpart and others
was only part of the process of us exposing this and getting justice because we
insisted and still do that we were being treated unfairly and the landlord
could not stop that process. It is not for a Judge to then compliment them by saying
they did nothing to stand in the way when clearly they did everything in their
power to stand in the way and therefore escalated the small claim!
69. HHJ Cowell: The claimants enlisted the services of Alan
Harris a loss adjuster who had direct communication with the insurers and
agents.
70. JF
Comments: Alan Harris was a further expense to the claimant once we knew we
were being fobbed off, as the issues dragged on and on with still no acceptance
of liability and Alan Harris said clearly that the insurers did not want to pay
because ‘the defendants breached the terms of their own insurance’ which we the
Claimants would never have known had we not enlisted his help in what seemed to
be us constantly being left in the dark as to what was going on behind the
scenes. The insurers were also as stated again and again having a satellite dispute,
which they wanted to keep unexposed as to who would cover the landlord, who was
just leaving us the Claimants in a position of ‘indifference’ with substantial
interests accruing, for which the landlord was very aware, until the issues
were resolved. However as now
becomes clearer, on the suggestion of Anna Norrie the Lawyer for RSA they then
all teamed up together with the defendant to get rid of us the claimant (clearly
the weaker party) by firstly stating that we had not provided a ‘proper
presentation of claim’ yet with no indication of ‘what further we should
provide’ and then in very costly legal action, then with what was so obvious to
us the Claimants at the time this arrogant and brand new found confidence once
they’d ‘teamed up together’ (especially the landlord’s verbal condescending
attitude on the phone) putting us to further cost with not legally required
audited accounts and then section 25 notices and failure to effect the floor
claim until the liability claim was sorted out nor to put in the ventilation
and with trying to find clauses that we had to install airbricks ourselves,
leaving us again ‘legally’ unable to trade (the then current disaster in these
beleaguered buildings), the landlord further has no hesitation in breaking into our premises not once but
twice successfully dancing us into the courts incurring more costs in further
harassment hence the court case. With this issue now having taken everything
from us and still drags on and on after 7 years.
71. HHJ Cowell; Start – concern – causes of action – Duke of
Westminster V’s Guild Lord Millet,
Southwark vs. Mills, A bench
+ two components 25 f.g.
Guild 701 f.g. Lord Justice Slade – Hargrove’s – 1 Kings
bench 172.
Duty of Care, “we have now turn & submission general
principle Hargrove Coburn
& Smith’ Landlords and Tenants; Where the lessor retains- Safe enjoyment
obligation retained not condition to cause damages to tenant.
72. JF
Comments: We need reasons why ‘Hargrove’ was not relied upon as the landlord in
all of our case had the retained parts causing damage to the demise which were
outside of our control and upon giving ‘notice’ which is the common theme in
Hargrove as oppose to Guild which is more reliant on the ‘implied’ definition
of rights to enter and repair, definition of demise, easement etc. Clearly as
was proved with the majority of the trial concerned with those facts we gave
‘notice’ within days of any incident or immediately when we were aware so we
are not looking for an implied term here in this case. The landlord’s
obligations and our own are clearly expressed in the lease as opposed to
implied. Neither party overlooked the repairing obligations in the leases. We
were both satisfied that all repairs were covered by the building insurance.
The expressed covenants were ‘speed’ and ‘notice’ extremely clearly expressed
in 7 (ii) and 5(xxii) leases.
73. HHJ Cowell: Rainwater -the defendants failed to clear-,
-duty of care-, Coburn & Smith – similar – defects roof landlord-retained
control-
74. JF
Comments: No mention of our lease clause that is an ‘expressed’ term that we ‘should
be protected from the elements’; our submissions on liability have not been
read or referred to again here. This case is again not relevant to the
contract/covenants in leases of ‘expressed’ terms. The Pavement cannot be
caveat emptor (to rent/sell a tumbled down is legal even if dangerous house or
we took as seen and anyway there are degrees of that too ie if you can see) as
firstly it has been made clear it belongs to the landlord and not us and
secondly it acts as a roof that requires notice to fix if it leaks.
75. HHJ Cowel: Ryan & Flector – Where he retains Lord
Justice Banks & Sergeant – instances ‘duty’ obligated, obligation ‘duty’
existed: 2 K b 119 / 130/ 134 Woodfall-
Guild ‘duty’ – for short;
Essential point was waste stack pipes & was occupied by
the defendants the fact the defendant is the lessor is incidental as occupier
defendants under a ‘duty’ that nuisance remedy defect without delay.
76. JF
Comments: Without delay important word and back to lease where they had a major
maintenance team at their disposal
77. HHJ Cowell: Many cases neighbour: landlord Woodfall:
Approve Justice Slade Gill.
78. JF Comments:
If HHJ is referring to Woodfall again it does not apply as the landlord built
or converted the building in 1999 so building regulations apply and a ‘Duty of
Care’.
79. HHJ Cowell: 703-6- Dominant, Serviant, forcing serviant
to repair.
If an exterior has been demised that Barrett Lewnova if
exterior not demised regard – Occupier or neighbouring premises Coburn 7
Smith 355 b/c Barretts case, liability –
crucial feature – Neighbouring Occupiers.
Authorities 701 c/n Gill case Justice Slade – REMAINS- has
this been affected by 2 other cases by Gordon & Celico 1976 – relied –
Implied term – Elaborate Service Charge
80. JF
Comments: There should have been no physical interference with the Claimants
quiet enjoyment. Again neighbouring or dominant does not apply, as there is an
expressed obligation to not interfere with our quiet enjoyment. The landlord
does not define the use of neighbouring premises as ‘ordinary use’ by way of
defence, if the neighbouring premises are causing us the Claimants a lack of
quiet enjoyment by way of a hazardous nuisance from the neighbouring occupiers
flat but it is that the premises are unfit as a result of disrepair after the
landlord or neighbour as the Defendants wish to put it having been put on
‘notice’ to be repaired and are not repaired with any speed then ‘neighbouring’
word proves no advantage in use of the word neighbour for this landlord as that
has nothing to do with anything. Landlord or neighbouring landlord is not
relevant to a defence in this situation.
This
constitutes an actionable nuisance and especially with stack pipes, which
omitted foul and hazardous substances, it also falls under several health and
safety clauses, regulations and laws. It must further be said even that it was
not that they did not cause the nuisance as they claim it was an insured
accident or that they did nothing about it once they were put on ‘notice’ but
that the laws so very clearly states that hazardous substances cannot be left
in continuance. Which is why Guild and others always say except for hazardous
substances. Clearly this also makes either premises at the time these hazardous
substances were being allowed to enter the premises ‘wholly’ unfit for purpose
to the claimants, triggering the cessor of rent clauses and activating a
personal injury claim or further damages for nuisance.
81. HHJ Cowell: -Jackson v’s J.H Watson 2008- Para 52 –
Defect faulty construction I was also referred to: - Janet Rogers International
LTD 2006 D W H C 174 Chancery- MAINTAIN – COVENANT-
Para 59 – Judgment & Guilds case not even mention and….
Guilds – RELEVANT LAW-
Condsulared – After he know’s – is he liable before he
knows, does he know?
82. JF
Comments: Yes the landlord knew
83. Clerke & Lindells Tort 19th Edition 21-42
Footnote. 99 – HARGROVES COBURN & SMITH…
When a Landlord lets a flat to a tenant – proof of
negligence –
-Omitted to clear on notice he will be liable-
84. JF
Comments: Yes and the ‘blocked gutter case’ where ‘notice’ had been given, was
just a few days causing consequential damage, the Claimants case lasted months
and damage was ongoing. Also there are foreseeability issues in our case and
the fact that the repairs often reoccurred in the same places. Is it also not
good enough as a defence to say that you could not find a pipe that was then
leaking profusely for 4 years, as in the electricity cupboard and further that
when private contractors (paid for as should have been following the insurance
terms in the lease) were brought in, the leak was immediately found!! ‘Trace and
remedy’ a leak is an item covered in the insurance (adverts for insurance are
now saying they will pay for the damage in finding a leak so this is well
recognised to take walls down and then repair fully) policy which is what HHJ
Clarke directed us to state therefore it follows that a leak causing nuisance
for 4 years in the neighbouring property but having an effect on our property
in terms of seepage and smell also fire risk according to the Fire Brigade
should have been traced far earlier to avoid nuisance, comply with health and
safety and give us quiet enjoyment.
85. Particulars of claim – No part of any particulars are
sufficient
86. JF
Flores: Again the particulars were changed and dismissed old particulars said
then to be fine this is now misleading. Once again too the Judge admitted that
he did not read our submissions on liability which pointed to the legality of
the situation more so in terms of our words making ‘legal sense’ (and it was
not legally required for us lay people to us case law) which can be interpreted
if read to apply legally. As law cannot be made or referred to as a ‘law’ unto
itself, without these ‘careful words’ being what sets one law, apart form
another and creates up to date precedent, which are then and only then relied
upon. For want of a better word the laws applied in this judgement in our case
do not strictly apply therefore our case has not had our variables applied and
does not therefore fit the case law applied at all, if there is any precedent
at all.
87. HHJ: Failure to allocate particular set of facts
bedevilled this case & made it difficult to try: Judgment that was given
before looked at this case;
88. JF
Comments: Originally perhaps it did as this is a serial complex case but many
costly efforts were made to then be accurate and very simply clear especially
in the schedules, which were accepted as very helpful and easy to understand.
89. HHJ Cowell: Looked at: Callaghan – Knowledge – Knowledge
or means of knowledge of neighbouring land, may qualify the broad rule: which
appears to indicate is the actual feature and that delay knowing is a breach of
duty-
Many cases – defendant remedied problem, admittedly after
damage suffered. --When gave judgment 25th March on amendments –
obligation that no damage should arise & occur.
If defendants had not remedied the defect the claimants
would have a claim.
90. JF
Comments: Ventilation at 106 and floor still not remedied at 104 so how can
this apply? Other cases are the subject of delays in remedying causing further
damage as in Hargrove.
91. HHJ Cowell: If damage continued.
Defendants were well advised to repair- doesn’t follow:
Crucial matter
– Cause
origin of leak
– Defendant
became aware
– What
did they do
– When
did they take such action
Should the defendants repair sooner this exercised my mind
so much: - Easement
92. JF
Comments: Easement is if the owner gives you permission to use part of his
demise and/or similar things. We were in ‘title’ the leaseholder subject to
contract of the leases.
93. HHJ Cowell: Owner dominant repair/Serviant no duty at
all
94. JF
Comments: Not true. It was our ‘duty’ as the serviant to report or give notice
under the expressed terms of the lease 5 (xxii) so as to mitigate ourselves in
term of insurances covering repairs. If we failed to report we would fail to be
covered. The dominant owner had the same duty under the leases 7(ii) to effect
claims but added to that he was to effect repairs by way of insurance monies
laid our or by his own repair team (his choice depending on the excess) with
speed, rebuilding etc.
95. HHJ Cowell: Pipe if leaks
Casing trespass &
Nuisance
Does knows & fails to remedy
96. JF
Comments: No he the Defendant as the dominant fails firstly to ‘report’ as is
conditional under the insurance policy and secondly he ‘fails’ to repair as in
his choice but choice or not (which is not under scrutiny) he does firstly fail
to report the ‘same’ expressed lease obligation as the serviant. Neither have a
‘duty’ to repair but both have an expressed ‘duty’ to ‘report’. Failure to
report is the original cause!!
97. HHJ Cowell: Strange if law provided different pipe
adjoining leaks onto neighbouring land & leaked into it
Damage: liability two different cases determined by same.
GULID CASE - LAW -
Footnote: Great deal of concern:
- Not
lawyers- referred by them, great sense of grievance on their part – did not
assist me determining the law.
- Early
stage – 3 large bundles of doc’s prepared by the claimants in an attempt to
save cost C1, C2, C3 – more documents then were produced by the defendants and
the claimants. A number of documents then were unfortunately reproduced D1, D2,
etc – having recourse to jump from one bundle to another.
98.
JF Comment:
The
bundles were rearranged too and not given to the claimants until the day before
trial leaving Ms Flores flummoxed as to where the exhibits were causing delay
and finding that some were missing more worryingly.
99. HHJ Cowell:
Footnote: Duplication either B2 exhibits concerns by spoke
for themselves, unnecessary costly exercise, suspicion not dispelled by that
the solicitors had prepared – what if anything the witnesses should add in what
he did or saw – not from documents.
100. JF
Comments: This last part about witnesses refers to the fact that solicitors
also wrote the witnesses statements to concur with their case put forward,
clearly orchestrating/directing the case and not using witness statements as
evidence to the point where witnesses would have to effectively rehearse the
story and had no real recollection of events since they were made to be puppets
to the defence story as constructed by the legal team and insurance agents.
Hence the witnesses when questioned by Ms Flores often tripped up with the
truth rather than the prepared statements.
101. HHJ Cowell: For example; Para 4 witness statement Jim
Gorman JG-54 B2 leak to the electricity cupboard – he says this; Ed Coster
emailed me: etc HHJ Cowell reads statement.
- 1st:
Exhibits email
- 2nd:
Perfectly proper – feature, helpful
- 3rd:
Intended as helpful – but is it – of any consequence?
- 4th:
What in document
- 5th:
Rises only evidences witnesses can give.
A proper sentence would have been in accordance then I
inspected and found…
Anyone who finds me over critical – drafting of particulars
– perhaps a history of events, with no purpose suffering with purpose blaming
the defendants for them conclude criticism of witness statements prevalent
amongst local authorities-
18th May 2005 B2 – 105-106
Concerns about first three or four events. Stack pipe 104
& 106-8. Emphasis on delay in remedying those things merely mention 12th
August 2005 – she is seeking compensation a minimum of £10,000 from the
defendant-
102. JF
Comments: Always trying not to fight with this landlord and being respectful,
helpful and fair in asking for exact ‘out of pocket expenses’ that had been
laid out by the Claimants. This was so as the landlord was not unduly enriched
with rent to them and overheads for us the Claimants including forced loans
continuing to be paid by us the claimants whilst interruption continued without
any urgency in stopping it by the landlord as they were getting paid by the
Claimants anyway.
103. Referred to D2-375- D2 376-7
Cheque
Reference to detail: 388
One stage August 2005 – quantum of claimant to the insurers
for the fear of putting up the premium. Not making any claim on her insurance –
not a criticism in any way. Jan 2006 – claimants made further claims.
104. JF
Comments: It's a building claim that we are insured for with the defendant through
AXA and are ‘forbidden’ as set out in the lease ‘an expressed term’ to get our
own building insurance and or further we had considered the joint insurance as
‘our’ own as is right but we were not aware that insurers can put a commercial
descision before the interest of two joint parties under one building insurance
cover. A claim on contents and public liability insurance was simply not
relevant to a building issue so will not be covered by fine art and antiques
insurance cover at all. It may simply put up a premium if it is known that the
building is likely to endanger/damage ones stock or the customer’s safety as in
public liability insurance for which we held cover.
105. HHJ Cowell: I will have at hand: Particulars of claim:
Early stage – Schedule prepared with assistance.
106. JF
Comments: Exactly so it did not bedevil the case as now used and stated here
that it was prepared at an early stage.
107. HHJ Cowell: A20, A3, paragraph 4, 5 & 6 of the
particulars of claim disclose no cause of action: amendments by adding
paragraph 3 – though it in itself was not in dispute.
108. JF
Comments: It is relevant to give a historical reference of events. A letter was
sent to the defendant prior to grant expressly asking that the new premises
comply with the ‘standards’ of the other shops. Since Ms Gavin (Flores) has
previously suffered business interruption at the defendant’s hands at 104,
which she had had for 4 years, she knew how the landlord could be stubborn and
unhelpful. She had resolved the previous issues by way of exposing them on a
national TV. Programme prompting the landlord to act and was compensated
effectively with this approach. This ‘standard’ letter send prior to grant was
one of three essential documents Ms Gavin used in this court case as she stated
at the opening of trial she would.
To make
reference in paragraphs 3. 4. 5. 6. In the particulars of claim as having no
cause of action with regards to the floor, the shutters, the ventilation and
the usage in terms of the new space at 106 as a social enterprise available for
hire, is not looking at Particulars vi and vii in terms of the claimants
‘intentions’ clearly spelt out for the demise of 106 and iv in terms of
remedial action to reinstate a floor, security shutters and ventilation
(referring to the standards letter prior to grant) all of which could be
claimed for under the insurance as ‘theft’ since monies had been laid out by
the public purse to the previous tenant for these ‘standard’ fixtures the same
as the other shops and to be expected as ‘standard’. ‘Structural remedy’ was
too covered under the ‘HAPM’ Housing Association Property Management insurance
for structural defects in construction, in that no airbricks had been put in
therefore there no air whatsoever, which should not have been a problem in
remedy since the defendant held as is legally required in a new construction of
less than 7 years (but it is actually cover for 30 years) and as ‘covered’ it
is easy to simply claim for and is a must since building regulation were
actively being breached. Ms Flores
states this at the opening of trial as her second of three documents relied
upon, as she had asked for ventilation to be claimed for very early on in the
tenancy.
109. HHJ Cowell: Remedy of derogation from grant – none of
those matters arises –
110. JF
Comments: In our submissions they do derogate from grant and in our amendments
to particulars that were refused we put this, as a cause of action, as the
property is not A3 as does not comply with the planning for A3, which would
include ventilation. All this is in our submissions on liability but as we know
was not read or referred to. So the matter does arise but has been dismissed
early on.
111. HHJ Cowell: Lord Millet & Southwark & mills
Bases stack pipe 104 – 15 – 19 Particulars of claim –
Paragraph 50 (13) (14)
Defendant dealt with this 20, 24 schedule 21 – hint what
cause of action
112. JF
Comments: Hint not explained what hint in which cause of action and how is it
relevant? Paragraph 50 is very clear in stating causes of action. Breaches of
the lease agreements, negligence, unlawful breaches of statutory duty,
nuisance, harassment, unlawful eviction and/or unlawful trespass and by reason
of it the Claimants have suffered immense losses and damage, damage to
reputation, loss of goodwill, depression, distress, stress, inconvenience and
injury to feelings.
113. HHJ Cowell: Paragraph 5 (i) (b) in breach of the said
leases but word ‘negligence’ is referred – not is expressed!!!
114. JF
Comments: Particulars of Claim “PARTICULARS” (i) quote: ‘The defendants have
breached their express obligations under both leases in that they have
prevented the Claimants’ quiet enjoyment of the two premises. How then is that
not expressed as expressed?
115. HHJ Cowell: Leak stopped 31st Jan 2005,
early Feb, casing.
G1-Tab page 3 – location stack shows
Point made by the defendant – report – ascertain its source
–
116. JF
Comments: Which point? This is very flimsy for a judgment. What also is the
claimants point? Claimant’s case rarely mentioned except maybe once in a
derogatory way about us always seeking to complain using ‘implied obligations’,
which is inaccurate in itself.
117. Claimants B2 – 105 complain – months of suffering – was
reasonable action taken, should cause of leak discovered earlier.
118. JF
Comments: Incompetence is not a defence professional contractors are paid for
by insurances and are their to give the leases its proper ‘business efficacy’.
If we were to rely on bob the builder we would have put him in the lease and
not insured. This is not an old fashioned case it is a modern case that simply
requires a landlord to inform/’put on ‘notice’ an insurance company the minute
an accident or incident with a building occurs much like with car insurance or
any other insurance cover. It is within the terms of the policy and it is expressed
in the leases. There is no need to ponder some old law that is of no modern
relevance about easements, repairing obligations, duties, neighbouring
occupiers or the like. The landlord simply failed to inform their insurers end
of!
119. HHJ Cowell: Job card issued by B2, 184 27th
April 04’ leak affected leak below, Mr UK.
5th May 2004 – Flat 3 Cromer House where leak
originated B2 187
12th May 2004 – Due B2 187 to be.
Repair – wall tiling 14th Oct 2004 tiling would
cure it.
Mr UK Jan 2005 – Attended 24th Jan – pinhole –
31st Jan – looked at stack pipe after
ascertaining no leak from flat 3 – before leak
Repaired 7ft rubber plant during artist A.R.s show, should
not been seen – pinhole promptly remedied by the defendants with jubilee clips
after casing removed
Jan – 3rd Feb 2005 –
One item in insurance claim-
Claimants ‘crack discovered’ 24th Jan – remained
3rd Feb fixed –
Guilds defendants not in breach of ‘duty’ flat above
bonafide source lay there.
120. JF
Comments: As proven, jubilee clips etc the cracked pipe was on the claimant’s premises
so the source lay there.
121. HHJ Cowell: Fortunately the defendants had insured
against physical damage –
122. JF
Comments: Yes so did the Claimants fortunately. This is very pro-landlord
wording.
123. HHJ Cowell: 106-8 – Particulars of claim – 20-23 –
Dates are arie paragraph 20 20th July – but 7th Feb that
year –
124. JF
Comments: At the end of January 2005 the claimants claimed tat the drop of
water was found on the ceiling this simply fell in line with Ms Gavin’s memory
at the time that the two leaks one at 104 and one at 106 happened one after the
other. It was established in the case that the claimants reported the second
leak at 106 on the 7th Feb and that was agreed with telephone record
evidence. The stating that the repairs were not carried out in full is
correctly stated as in July when the wall was put back by the claimants after
waiting for the defendants who failed to put the wall back. It was however
established again with repair record evidence that the leak itself of hazardous
waste in the form of excrement was stopped only at the end of April.
125. HHJ Cowell: Para (50), (15), (16) – Defendants (25-27)
Schedule 22
Part of insurers claim – G1 35/36
Feb 2005 – Claimants did works in the bathroom new boiler –
first drop of water 7th Feb, diary entries 7th, 8th,
14th –
Visit 28th Feb Mr UK
Works orders flat above
Doesn’t matter flats above works
or not the trouble 29th March reported again resulted in visit by Mr
UK 1st April – 4th April, Easter weekend before that,
Damp on wall Mr UK anxious to ascertain weather the leak had come from above –
Optimistic belief if staining
spread or decreased –
126.
JF Comments: How can Mr UK’s anxiety be implied how about he was busy drinking
tea, could that be implied equally?
127. HHJ Cowell: Result further
complaints by the claimants he decided to issue a works order on 2nd
April – 11th April that he did on 6th April – Removal of
duct casing & replacement C1 629 C1 170.
15th April 2008 –
Claimants took photo’s G1 77 – Brown staining on duct etc G1 80-81 – Pencil
mark.
Benefit of hindsight he had a
naive belief that the stain would dry out and would not spread –
128.
JF Comments: Naïve look up the word in a dictionary we are talking about well-paid
professional surveyors here again very pro-landlord use of wording. To paint
over shit is ridiculous in the extreme! We have no faith in this judgment it is
perverse in its wording.
129. HHJ Cowell; Carpenter 8th
April – he left
Plumber 11th April – he
left
Order not result in cure
Plasterer arrived – Except Ms
Flores evidence on this; I find 25th April – Ms Flores and the
plumber took off the casing and removed filthy material.
25th/26th/April
– Flood foul material.
26th April quote: ‘One
can see the state of ……’
G1 73/9 82/83
Show by 29th April –
Jubilee Clips
G1 728 – Secured
26th April 2005 –
reporting on case
D1 / 130 – Course of that email
Reference ‘last week there was a
really bad smell’
130.
JF Comments: No reference made to the fact Ms Flores was contacting these
contractors directly and also catching them in the street and going out of her
mind chasing anyone who could fix the problem. Such was the distress with this
problem that she even assisted a hesitant contractor in taking the wall down
which was so sodden they took it down by hand.
131. HHJ Cowell: 20th
Feb 2006 – Loss adjuster – C1 337/8
Apparent from that email that
smell was really bad before visit to Mr UK & pencil markings which to my
mind makes it clear there was a very bad smell –
Paragraph … “really bad smell”
Description of visit refers to
pencil markings-
“The smell was really dreadful”
phone calls to Mr UK 6th April when her …
…..ordered ….. – 8th
& 11th April – didn’t stay.
Ms Flores oral evidence – casing
removed 27th April not before.
Mr UK last visited 8th
April, cure 26th April, renovations very much later –
As this was an insurance matter
…..
Leo installed central heating
system.
2nd April / 30th
May –
132.
JF Comments: What are these dates Leo did the central heating over two weekends
and one was a bank holiday. The ceiling in big office was installed as there
was not one ever but this was not a health and safety issue like the shit! The
ceiling was a designer improvement to look like the base of a spaceship with
specialist lighting for an executive boardroom style meeting room as advertised
a large meeting room.
133. HHJ Cowell: Chronology:
Letter of claimant 18th May 2005 – some decoration of basement done
June already mention 2nd August 2005 £10,000.
134.
JF Comments: £10,000 offer made to put us back on track with rent paid, bills,
business rates and to save the landlord from what turned out to be deemed as
failures on their part by their own insurers. Claims made then were accurate
and no amount of friendliness helped these bully’s and con merchants even when
we were ‘a good tenant’ as stated in Chris Natt’s the commercial Manager’s
evidence and Jaqui Greenes email where she implores repairs to act quickly for
this commercial tenant ‘who is putting thousands of pounds worth of
improvements into our buildings’.
135. HHJ Cowell: Emails as to
wisdom of making a claim; D1 154/5 – D1 185/7 – Estimate
136.
JF Comments: From the claimants point of view and not explained by his honour
as such as to how many times and right up until the end and even with a great
loss adjuster Alan Harris and expensive mediation through Lynne Brooke of Veale
Wansborough and Matt Kelly of 39 Essex did the claimants so often attempt to
settle and not fight with the landlord. This is a very valid point as the claim
could have been reduced if we all spoke about it in ‘mediation’. When we did
eventually a few days before trial which the landlord did to save face the
landlords only wanted to save the cost of the days in court as reflected in
their offer being directed on the phone by the insured.
137. HHJ Cowell; Eventually polish
builders did work ground floor.
138.
JF Comments: Paid for by the claimants.
139. HHJ Cowell: Oct 2005 –
Insurance paid Jan 2006.
Judgment – Sufficient alerting of
Mr UK
(1)
Only 2 months before 104 stack
(2)
Leak flat 1 if ever there was one cured
(3)
Despite evidence that he didn’t smell anything –
sufficient was a smell & photos state of premises 15th April
support evidence there must have been smell even if Mr UK did not smell it.
Jaqui Greene – impressed on Mr UK
urgent!
140.
JF Comments: Health and safety and no law mentioned by HHJ Cowell on this nor
reference to our submissions.
141. HHJ Cowell: Pencil – dry out!
Ms Flores it is suggested is
‘Prone to exaggeration’ – prefer Ms Bhaloo on this –
142.
How dare this assertion be put here! If the defendants had a defence they would
not need to lower themselves to use slander or character assasinasion!! This
needs to be justified, as is slander now from HHJ Cowell too. Its one thing the
other side trying to put down a claimant but to be accepted but a Judge without
any justification seems very odd and uncalled for. Is his honour suggesting our
very solid submissions or case is exaggerated with reams of documentary
evidence and photographs? Have they been read? This is a joke! Twenty-two
months and representing ourselves in person should be praised for its bravery
and sheer skill, which would have been better, placed doing our normal jobs,
fighting for children’s rights and running business. This case has its own
merits and stands alone without slanderous allegations as to the state of Ms
Flores who is extremely angry and stressed with justification, this was covered
in our submission but has not been referred to. Ms Flores has acted reasonably
at all times albeit with absolute anger stating her true losses. At a mere 3
bookings a week at £500 each that is not exaggerated The word is not used by
accident either as the ‘only way’ the defendants can have their costs met by
the insurers, as it is in the small print of their policy, is if one exaggerated
a claim. I don’t think it is co-incidence that this was said in Judgement and
that numerous references to the insurers not being liable are also made when
the case was not even against them but they were they payees of it! All loose
end here are sublimely tied for the legalities necessary for the benefit of all
but the claimant but that slander is further salt in the wounds however
necessary it was for them all to use that word and we will rigorously defend
such slander in the court of appeal to have that self serving statement
revoked.
143. HHJ Cowell: Ms Flores should
have asked about the smell –
Mr UK should have raised an order
renewal of the casing and …..
Had that been done by the end of
that working week a delay of 3 weeks would have been avoided, claimants claim
is good for that 3 weeks.
144.
JF Comments: Where is the math? 7th Feb to the 29th
April? That is 11 weeks in a hazardous waste repair which should be dealt with
within 48 hours.
145. HHJ Cowell: Difficult to
determine: Means of knowledge was with Mr UK 1st/4th
April
Do not find the defendant is not
in breach of duty by the leaking – In my Judgment time that it took –
Information location of stack known to defendant.
No breach of ‘duty’ on insurances
146.
JF Comments: They failed to effect insurance claims to notify their insured how
then are they not in breach of the leases under the covenant to insure and the
insurance policy, which stated that they breached the terms this is contradictory
to the evidence and states no case law to back up the contradiction.
147. Next event: 24th /
27th – Flood –
-Schedule 22 – 24 –
Insurance Paragraph 32
7 (i) (5) In breach of the leases
negligence –
Sub plot: Floor tiling to floor
damaged to
Particulars 29 – 32 50 (19)
D 3 ? 36
Schedule 24 -26
HHJ Cowell: Flood unforeseeable
accident, Mr UK’s understanding gleaned from others, whether claimant no cause
of action repairs of done very promptly. After insurers paid complaints about
floor –
148.
JF Comments: How is a foreseeable accident justifying a two years outstanding repair,
which both our landlord and our own surveyors both say is an insurance job that
the claimants proved and was then even accepted by the material damage policy
now not being accepted? Again a contradiction to the evidence with no law to
say what has made this decision held.
149. HHJ Cowell: No liability
attached by defendants & because they persisted to say any more – not to go
on except – 45/53 Ms Bhaloo’s submission…
150.
JF Comments: Defendant’s submissions always referred to
151. (Lunch break from 1.05pm we
arrived back at 2.08pm and Judgment had already commenced in continuation
without us so we don’t know yet what was said…)
HHJ Cowell: June 2008 – Cause of
action….
Reply breach of lease –
Negligence –
Building regulations –
Pavement not demised to the
claimants
Possession and control defendants
Difficult to argue in Guilds case
cannot apply – Having knowledge should repair it-
152.
JF Comments: As in Hargrove.
153. HHJ Cowell: In its very
nature may leak, unlike pipe –
If pipe does leak clearly alerts
occupier to repair it –
Degree & smell – jubilee
clips.
But because a tenant could so
readily reach the pavement lights – Tenant could easily mitigate its damage.
154.
JF Comments: How can it be said that the claimants should touch, never mind fix
something that is on a public path and is not in their control or demise,
should we for example fix the roof as well because we can see it? In Oct 2004
there is no mention that after exhaustion and mounting debts where now having
to mortgage a fully paid for house by one of the claimants and we did attempt
to mitigate all our losses within our control to continue with our business. So
we did make an attempt. It was only then we found it was the defendant’s
contractor who had installed the pavement and the defendant repaired in two
days after repeated denial of liability. Further at later stages we were ‘forbidden’
see email Jaqui Greene and later Oliver Barnett to contact Kingsbury directly
when the leaking reoccurred. It would further be then illegal if we employed
our own contractors to touch their pavement and we could be held liable to them
for any damages. We did not at any stage ‘adopt’ the pavement as our own or the
repairing of it as is right and proper. ‘Accessibility’ does not imply or refer
to the legality of it.
155. HHJ Cowell: Tenant is more
aware –
Short answer by defendants –
Caveat Lessee
156.
JF Comments: Caveat Lessee cannot apply for reasons to do with conversion in 1999
and of the breaching of expressed obligations in the leases to have protection
from the elements including rainwater. The whole issue lay on whether the
pavement was the landlord’s and it was as was defended by them that it wasn’t
and proven by us the claimants that it was.
157. HHJ Cowell: Defect – 8th
April 2004 – 106-8-
Reason I find defect there at time
of grant, claimants say first time it rained – oral evidence satisfied – May
2005 – reported
158.
HHJ Cowell: This is outrageous it is not a structural ‘defect’ it is a water
ingress. This is a misleading judgment using the defendants very hard pushed stretched
argument of caveat emptor and never putting claimants case forward once in
summing up which is also imbalanced.
159. HHJ Cowell: Response landlord
not responsible –
1st written evidence
from defendant
15th Oct 2004 125
28th Oct D1 126 – after
she had written those emails – works been done by Kingsbury – works done 1st
Nov 2004 – oral evidence established that date though particulars of claim suggested
Sept emails show after that Ms Flores accepts 1st Nov 2004.
Defendants point about caveat
lessee is correct –
If wrong about that:
The test in Guilds case ‘doubt has
been expressed about the defendants responsibility’ this repair is simple in
comparison to waste pipe.
160.
JF Comments: It is not a simple repair and can only be carried out by
Kingsbury. It takes 5 professional builders, a lorry full of molten substance
and is undoubtedly expensive. We fulfilled our internal repair obligations
extensively see submissions on liability. To now be told we should have filled
the ‘gaps’ in a public pavement ‘demised’ to the landlord and that if the judge
is wrong then the test is ‘was it simple’ (as opposed to is it legal?) is again
misleading, belittling and down right outrageous. Had we touched their property
they could sue us! The same can be said if we cut into the structure of the
building without permission to install air bricks a subject which to date all requests
to repair have been since 2005 ignored. We are far from stupid to touch what is
not ours and is on a public path or to diamond drill holes into the defendants
building without firstly planning permission, which we cannot obtain, and
secondly the right to do so as it belongs to the landlord.
161. HHJ Cowell: Claimants remedy
matter later could have paid and paid later – Insurance –
No question under Guilds case –
-Not extraordinary work –
162.
JF Comments: The following is the next leaking of the same area in 2006.
163. Oct – attempt to remedy FWA
3rd Oct – useless
material used trodden on brought into space, remedy Kingsbury 16th
Oct
164.
JF Comments: The guest attending the magazine launch sponsored by Waitrose
walked the useless material referred to be bitumen a sticky black molten
substance, which damaged our wooden floor as, into 106 premises. There is no
comment here that the leaking was reported in June 2006 and that a botched
repair was made the day before the sponsored magazine launch. The repair was
delayed, foreseeable and the claimants suffered material damage and loss of
reputation.
165. HHJ Cowell: 3rd
Oct G1 40-44-52
G1 70-74- 16th Oct –
B2 151-2 Email 5th
August B2 150 3rd Aug
Claimants repeatedly phoning –
Delay – understood insurance might
pay for this particular matter Jaqui called insurers 7th Aug C4 215
19th August – Thames Water not fault of defendant –
166.
JF Comments: It was nothing to do with Thames Water. The word ‘might’ is very
interesting here as this was not an insured risk.
167. Insurance not liable to pay
anything – appears reasonably clear the defendants fixed Guild principle ‘no
culpable delay on part of defendants.
Defendants……………………………….
Claimants could have paid
Kingsbury and argued about who paid –
Defendants not in breach –
liability – Not the defendants –
168.
JF Comments: Again same problem as two years before and this pavement leaking
reoccurred again another two years later, which just shows it, needs bi-annual
maintenance. Evidence was shown that the previous tenants had the same leaking
in of rainwater from this pavement. If it is that the defendant wanted to
improve by way of conversion the premises by installing a glass ceiling effect
to the basement than rather the same as any roof it is foreseeable that the
sealant will need maintenance but more so for a public pavement.
169. Electricity room – June 2005
– Nov 2005
Schedule pg 27 also deals with
second……
Jan – May June 08 – Reply 11 (i)
(v) hint of cause of action-
Again no covenant in lease which
assists the claimant but particulars never formulated.
170.
JF Comments: Submission on liability extremely clear but admittedly clearly not
read by HHJ Cowell. Also xxii in the particulars states the defendant
unlawfully failed to ensure that there were effective fire exits, again this is
also a breach of building regulations and statutory obligations.
171. HHJ Cowell: Breach of
statutory duty: Typical all allegations made!
172.
JF Comments: Derogatory to claimant in language used here.
173. HHJ Cowell: Not demised –
C3 Tab 4 131/4
August 2005
Work was done by Thames Water-
“Did not know where leak came from
– cannot be failing to remedy it”
174.
JF Comments: How many surveyors and how many years does it take to find a leak
on their own premises? No insurance effected after notice was given. Breaching
expressed terms in the leases to notify insurers as the seepage of leaking pipe
in the electricity cupboard permeated both premises in terms of water and of
smell. The repair took 4 years to find the leaking pipe, which was in a plywood
suspended ceiling and stop the water ingresses. This was only after the
insurers were alerted and the defendant brought in a competent private
contractor.
175. HHJ Cowell: OTHER PROBLEMS
176.
JF Comments: These are not other problems and should not be lumped together as
such as all the issues are serious or why would we take the time and expense of
court proceeding to add them in.
177. Paragraph 31 wiring, fire
panel, smoke detectors, security shutters & fire panel.
178.
JF Comments: The wiring, on open spurs and not ring wired so as such was
dangerous. To save a claim on the building insurance the landlord told us The
Claimant we would have to fix the wiring ourselves to make it safe, which was
not true. The smoke detectors are also covered by insurances, as was the fire
panel as these are landlord’s fixtures. We had other duties under fire
precautionary action such as having fire-fighting equipment again the landlord
put us to the expense of fixing, that which was not ours to fix. The security
shutters were as seen on all the other shops a standard requirement and since
we did not them we were very early on broken into via the window. We had asked
for the shutters ‘prior to grant’ and although verbally agreed we also have in
writing our request in the letter requesting the grant of lease. The expensive
security shutters were paid for by the public purse so they were insured.
179. HHJ Cowell: No airbricks –
180.
JF Comments: Airbricks were a major issue and were extensively covered in our
submission, which has not been read. Clearly this breaches building regulations
and is derogation from grant of A3, which makes the who claim on 106 a total
constructive loss until 2014, on a then ten year lease, so effectively any
other problems (which can be subsumed apart from harassment) are overshadowed
by this essential first ‘fraud’. If this were judged correctly then the whole
case of 106 until 2014 would be a victory for the claimants as is asserted
throughout.
181. HHJ Cowell: Defendants
improved fire exit –
182.
HHJ Cowell is implying that the landlord went out of their way to ‘improve’ the
fire exits and not that this did not comply with building regulations and give
business efficacy where there would be none if it were not in the leases as an
expressed obligation. It is a case of ‘it goes without saying’ that the
premises required a means of escape from fire as the law and building
regulations require. There is no mention of claimant’s case or our submissions
on liability on this either. Improvements are misleading they were not up to regulation
and subject of a lengthy complaints procedure by the claimants lasting 4 years before
they were made safe.
183. HHJ Cowell: Defendants answer
– caveat lessee
184.
JF Comments: Building regulations and fire regulations plus lack of business
efficacy cannot be defended by Caveat Lessee. In this trial it was exposed that
the entire residential block also has no fire certificate. Perhaps if a death
occurred this would be the point where the landlord would be seen as liable in
negligence or would this residential landlord still claim Caveat lessee.
185. Ventilation – Airbricks
FAIR!!!!
186.
Is the word ‘fair’ a judgment and accordingly then to what law is the word ‘fair’ legally applied.
187. 25th July 2010
difficulties…. Mr Hines came on scene C4 292, 8th August 2006-
188.
JF Comments: No mention that the loss adjuster Alan Hines of QuestGates was
bias and wrote the defendants witness statement as stated by Mr UK.
“Difficulties’ falls much more in line with the ‘commercial decision’ the insurance
took to collaborate with the defendant and anyone else it would seem to save a
claim. The solicitors paid for by the insurance (solicitors who were also writing the witness statements as
stated by his honour) had a total conspiracy from the start to pervert the
course of justice with legal might resulting in a miscarriage of justice, with
a very one sided and law wise weak argument and ineffectual judgement in its obvious
sweeping errors.
Further
there is a conspiracy to stop the claimants now in appealing this Judgment
(that is said by all accounts to be highly unusual that we have been asked to
provide the transcripts) and more so the fact we have been given just three
weeks to put together argument without any recourse to funds so no legal
representation whatsoever as everything has been taken from us and we have been
put into nearly half a million pound debt, proves to the Claimants that a
conspiracy of the powerful people involved is afoot.
We
could give up at this stage because of the conspiratorial nature of this
behaviour by all the law people involved but we will attempt to try to be
judged fairly having no more faith that this could happen again and again. They
say “God give me the strength to change the things I can change and the wisdom
to know the difference” but there is much more at stake than for these two
individual claimants than can be seen. That sort of passion and belief system
cannot be toyed with easily even despite now severe hardship and major children
and young peoples issues of national concern that could be being helped by the
Claimants instead of wasting the Claimants time and energy on these building
issues and robbery of what belongs to them without any recourse to public funds
as is the case of the Defendants. The attempts to stop us appealing and lack of
acknowledgement in stopping the quantum hearing which took place despite fierce
application to stop it, as well as a section 25 and the proposal that we
supposedly needed to be relieved from forfeiture when it is our case that it was
trespass are corrupt and designed to crush us.
By
the lunch hour the day after the 9th Sept 2010 Judgment a green BMW
drove onto the pavement nearly running over two of the neighbours now witnesses
and a guy jumps out saying that our/the Claimants shops were now his shops. How
does that happen? How did he by that evening even know? Attempts to pass off
the shops, as A3 are still happening to date although a full year later both
are still empty probably due to the damp smell and active condensation especially
being empty there will be huge mould growth again and again as it grows fast.
189. HHJ Cowell: C4 246
The claimants made a claim for
£280,540 from the defendants & £164,??? From the insurers for delays water
damage, unable to assist…
C4 208 £400,000 – Gordon Ward –
Not provided sufficient evidence –
190.
JF Comments: Providing more and more evidence with added time delay and cost
was the most genius strategy adopted by Anna Norrie of Plexus Law the RSA
insurers. Anna Norrie is, as one would imagine well versed in how to deal with
insurance claims as she works for the biggest insurance agents. Anna Norrie
never made the ‘nature’ of the ‘exact’ ‘evidence’ she needed clear as to what
the Claimants could ‘further’ provide that they had ‘not’ already. Further time
and expenses was then put on the claimants in making them pay (£2,000) for
audited accounts. This was a two-pronged approach by Anna Norrie, as seen in ‘satellite
dispute’ letter she wrote to the building insurers. It was ‘who was going to
pay’ that was Anna Norries concern, ‘UKU’ UK Underwriters CEO Paul Smith based
in Leeds (now Eagle something or other but some kind of 20 years old company
based in Leeds covered by AXA that the insurance broker FARR PLC brokered with
to cover the building) building insurers or RSA liability insurers. Evidence
hi-lighted as one of the three documents that Ms Gavin (Flores) would rely on, proves
this was the new approach adopted and directed by Anna Norrie. Her next
strategy was to beat us the Claimants down in a quantum game to attempt to
reduce the claim and all this lets not forget as is most important point was at
the willingness and compliance of the landlord the Defendant to be seen back
then not to be liable and to save them and their insured a claim. Luckily for
them all Mr Hall the Single Joint Expert was fantastic for the job of reducing
quantum as he holds a major conflict of interest in that he is the Defendants solicitors
firm Bircham Dyson Bells ‘auditor’ and his evidence should be struck out
despite the fact we paid £8,500 for it. We did put him on notice as a joint
expert not to attend the Mondays quantum hearing but he did not even replied
and as he has a closer relationship as is obvious with Bircham Dyson Bell
solicitors than we could imagine. The legal compliance department really should
have picked up on this and Alan Harris the Claimants loss adjuster said he had
never heard of such a conflict of interest to be allowed.
The
QC Ms Zia Bhaloo of Enterprise Chambers is understandably giving the Judge what
he needs to make decisions and justify them but to use laws that do not apply
and to ride rough shot over our claims in this judgement leaves a lot to be
questioned about the courts themselves and the administration including the
clerk Pushkar Kapole who frequently replied to the defendant but not to the
Claimants, especially when asking for disclosure where we had to wait 4 months
and yet the Defendant got there disclosure in one week or our case would be
thrown out. The whole episode was unbelievable.
191. HHJ Cowell: Claimants made
threats –
192.
JF Comments: Press threats were made but still we have attempted to remain
respectful although we are still at liberty to expose this perhaps because of
its length in a film, not something we relish just an option available still if
justice does not prevail. We can call it “£100 off”!!
193. HHJ Cowell: C4 164 Plexus Law
27th Nov 2007
Proper presentation of claim 2008
C4 133
Ultimate point stemming from that-
194.
JF Comments: That is a bit ‘subliminal’ as those are the Royal Sun Alliance
lawyer’s Anna Norrie of Plexus Law’s exact words.
End
Notes Law Quick References from this Judgment are here summary for ease of
reference:
9.)A)
65. HHJ Cowell: Skeleton argument terms of lease and true construction,
implied obligations on lessor’s part.
Exceptionally – Implied exterior – maybe Barrell Nova or 1
all England reports 151, correlative obligations 357 a b demands it.
Similarly a lessor is not bound the insurance does owe
duties – justice …… in the case of Vorell v’s Security Archives 60 – 258-
B) 71. HHJ Cowell; Start – concern – causes of action – Duke
of Westminster V’s Guild Lord Millet,
Southwark vs. Mills, A bench
+ two components 25 f.g.
Guild 701 f.g. Lord Justice Slade – Hargrove’s – 1 Kings
bench 172.
Duty of Care, “we have now turn & submission general
principle Hargrove Coburn
& Smith’ Landlords and Tenants; Where the lessor retains- Safe enjoyment
obligation retained not condition to cause damages to tenant.
C) 73. HHJ Cowell: Rainwater -the defendants failed to
clear-, -duty of care-, Coburn & Smith – similar – defects roof
landlord-retained control-
D) 75. HHJ Cowel: Ryan & Flector – Where he retains Lord
Justice Banks & Sergeant – instances ‘duty’ obligated, obligation ‘duty’
existed: 2 K b 119 / 130/ 134 Woodfall-
Guild ‘duty’ – for short;
Essential point was waste stack pipes & was occupied by
the defendants the fact the defendant is the lessor is incidental as occupier
defendants under a ‘duty’ that nuisance remedy defect without delay.
E) 77. HHJ Cowell: Many cases neighbour: landlord Woodfall:
Approve Justice Slade Gill.
F) 79. HHJ Cowell: 703-6- Dominant, Serviant, forcing
serviant to repair.
If an exterior has been demised that Barrett Lewnova if
exterior not demised regard – Occupier or neighbouring premises Coburn 7
Smith 355 b/c Barretts case, liability – crucial
feature – Neighbouring Occupiers.
Authorities 701 c/n Gill case Justice Slade – REMAINS- has
this been affected by 2 other cases by Gordon & Celico 1976 – relied –
Implied term – Elaborate Service Charge
G) 81. HHJ Cowell: -Jackson v’s J.H Watson 2008- Para 52 –
Defect faulty construction I was also referred to: - Janet Rogers International
LTD 2006 D W H C 174 Chancery- MAINTAIN – COVENANT-
Para 59 – Judgment & Guilds case not even mention and….
Guilds – RELEVANT LAW-
Condsulared – After he know’s – is he liable before he
knows, does he know?
H) 83.
Clerke & Lindells Tort 19th Edition 21-42
Footnote. 99 – HARGROVES COBURN & SMITH…
When a Landlord lets a flat to a tenant – proof of
negligence –
-Omitted to clear on notice he will be liable-
I) 85. Particulars of claim – No part of any particulars are
sufficient
J.) 89. HHJ Cowell: Looked at: Callaghan – Knowledge –
Knowledge or means of knowledge of neighbouring land, may qualify the broad
rule: which appears to indicate is the actual feature and that delay knowing is
a breach of duty-
Many cases – defendant remedied problem, admittedly after
damage suffered. --When gave judgment 25th March on amendments –
obligation that no damage should arise & occur.
If defendants had not remedied the defect the claimants
would have a claim.
K) 91. HHJ Cowell: If damage continued.
Defendants were well advised to repair- doesn’t follow:
Crucial matter
– Cause
origin of leak
– Defendant
became aware
– What
did they do
– When
did they take such action
Should the defendants repair sooner this exercised my mind
so much: - Easement
L) 93.
HHJ Cowell: Owner dominant repair/Serviant no duty at all
M) 95.
HHJ Cowell: Pipe if leaks
Casing trespass &
Nuisance
Does knows & fails to remedy
N) 97.
HHJ Cowell: Strange if law provided different pipe adjoining leaks onto
neighbouring land & leaked into it
Damage: liability two different cases determined by same.
GULID CASE -
LAW -
Footnote: Great deal of concern:
- Not
lawyers- referred by them, great sense of grievance on their part – did not
assist me determining the law.
- Early
stage – 3 large bundles of doc’s prepared by the claimants in an attempt to
save cost C1, C2, C3 – more documents then were produced by the defendants and
the claimants. A number of documents then were unfortunately reproduced D1, D2,
etc – having recourse to jump from one bundle to another.
O) 99. HHJ Cowell:
Footnote: Duplication either B2 exhibits concerns by spoke
for themselves, unnecessary costly exercise, suspicion not dispelled by that
the solicitors had prepared – what if anything the witnesses should add in what
he did or saw – not from documents.
P)
109. HHJ Cowell: Remedy of derogation from grant – none of those matters arises
–
Q) 111. HHJ Cowell: Lord Millet & Southwark & mills
Bases stack pipe 104 – 15 – 19 Particulars of claim –
Paragraph 50 (13) (14)
Defendant dealt with this 20, 24 schedule 21 – hint what
cause of action
R)
113. HHJ Cowell: Paragraph 5 (i) (b) in breach of the said leases but word
‘negligence’ is referred – not is expressed!!!
S) 119. HHJ Cowell: Job card issued by B2, 184 27th
April 04’ leak affected leak below, Mr UK.
5th May 2004 – Flat 3 Cromer House where leak
originated B2 187
12th May 2004 – Due B2 187 to be.
Repair – wall tiling 14th Oct 2004 tiling would
cure it.
Mr UK Jan 2005 – Attended 24th Jan – pinhole –
31st Jan – looked at stack pipe after
ascertaining no leak from flat 3 – before leak
Repaired 7ft rubber plant during artist A.R.s show, should
not been seen – pinhole promptly remedied by the defendants with jubilee clips
after casing removed
Jan – 3rd Feb 2005 –
One item in insurance claim-
Claimants ‘crack discovered’ 24th Jan – remained
3rd Feb fixed –
Guilds defendants not in breach of ‘duty’ flat above
bonafide source lay there.
T) 121. HHJ Cowell: Fortunately the defendants had insured
against physical damage –
U) 139. HHJ Cowell: Oct 2005 –
Insurance paid Jan 2006.
Judgment – Sufficient alerting of
Mr UK
(1)
Only 2 months before 104 stack
(2)
Leak flat 1 if ever there was one cured
(3)
Despite evidence that he didn’t smell anything –
sufficient was a smell & photos state of premises 15th April
support evidence there must have been smell even if Mr UK did not smell it.
Jaqui Greene – impressed on Mr UK urgent!
V) 141. HHJ Cowell: Pencil – dry
out!
Ms Flores it is suggested is
‘Prone to exaggeration’ – prefer Ms Bhaloo on this
W) 143. HHJ Cowell: Ms Flores
should have asked about the smell –
Mr UK should have raised an order
renewal of the casing and…..
Had that been done by the end of
that working week a delay of 3 weeks would have been avoided, claimants claim
is good for that 3 weeks.
X) 145. HHJ Cowell: Difficult to
determine: Means of knowledge was with Mr UK 1st/4th
April
Do not find the defendant is not
in breach of duty by the leaking – In my Judgment time that it took –
Information location of stack known to defendant.
No breach of ‘duty’ on insurances
Y) 147. Next event: 24th
/ 27th – Flood –
-Schedule 22 – 24 –
Insurance Paragraph 32
7 (i) (5) In breach of the leases
negligence –
Sub plot: Floor tiling to floor
damaged to
Particulars 29 – 32 50 (19)
D 3 ? 36
Schedule 24 -26
HHJ Cowell: Flood unforeseeable
accident, Mr UK’s understanding gleaned from others, whether claimant no cause
of action repairs of done very promptly. After insurers paid complaints about
floor –
Z) 149. HHJ Cowell: No liability
attached by defendants & because they persisted to say any more – not to go
on except – 45/53 Ms Bhaloo’s submission…
10.) LUNCH BREAK… Missed part of
Judgment
A1) 151. (Lunch break from 1.05pm
we arrived back at 2.08pm and Judgment had already commenced in continuation
without us so we don’t know yet what was said…)
HHJ Cowell: June 2008 – Cause of
action….
Reply breach of lease –
Negligence –
Building regulations –
Pavement not demised to the
claimants
Possession and control defendants
Difficult to argue in Guilds case
cannot apply – Having knowledge should repair it-
B1) 153. HHJ Cowell: In its very
nature may leak, unlike pipe –
If pipe does leak clearly alerts
occupier to repair it –
Degree & smell – jubilee
clips.
But because a tenant could so
readily reach the pavement lights – Tenant could easily mitigate its damage.
C1) 155. HHJ Cowell: Tenant is
more aware –
Short answer by defendants –
Caveat Lessee
D1) 157. HHJ Cowell: Defect – 8th
April 2004 – 106-8-
Reason I find defect there at time
of grant, claimants say first time it rained – oral evidence satisfied – May
2005 – reported
E1) 159. HHJ Cowell: Response
landlord not responsible –
1st written evidence
from defendant
15th Oct 2004 125
28th Oct D1 126 – after
she had written those emails – works been done by Kingsbury – works done 1st
Nov 2004 – oral evidence established that date though particulars of claim
suggested Sept emails show after that Ms Flores accepts 1st Nov
2004.
Defendants point about caveat
lessee is correct –
If wrong about that:
The test in Guilds case ‘doubt has
been expressed about the defendants responsibility’ this repair is simple in
comparison to waste pipe.
F1) 161. HHJ Cowell: Claimants
remedy matter later could have paid and paid later – Insurance –
No question under Guilds case –
-Not extraordinary work –
G1) 163. Oct – attempt to remedy
FWA
3rd Oct – useless
material used trodden on brought into space, remedy Kingsbury 16th
Oct
H1) 165. HHJ Cowell: 3rd
Oct G1 40-44-52
G1 70-74- 16th Oct –
B2 151-2 Email 5th
August B2 150 3rd Aug
Claimants repeatedly phoning –
Delay – understood insurance might
pay for this particular matter Jaqui called insurers 7th Aug C4 215
19th August – Thames Water not fault of defendant –
I1) 167. Insurance not liable to
pay anything – appears reasonably clear the defendants fixed Guild principle
‘no culpable delay on part of defendants.
Defendants……………………………….
Claimants could have paid
Kingsbury and argued about who paid –
Defendants not in breach –
liability – Not the defendants –
J1) 169. Electricity room – June
2005 – Nov 2005
Schedule pg 27 also deals with
second……
Jan – May June 08 – Reply 11 (i)
(v) hint of cause of action-
Again no covenant in lease which
assists the claimant but particulars never formulated.
K1) 171. HHJ Cowell: Breach of
statutory duty: Typical all allegations made!
L1) 173. HHJ Cowell: Not demised –
C3 Tab 4 131/4
August 2005
Work was done by Thames Water-
“Did not know where leak came from
– cannot be failing to remedy it”
M1) 177. Paragraph 31 wiring, fire
panel, smoke detectors, security shutters & fire panel.
N1) 179. HHJ Cowell: No airbricks
–
O1) 181. HHJ Cowell: Defendants
improved fire exit –
P1) 183. HHJ Cowell: Defendants
answer – caveat lessee
Q1) 185. Ventilation – Airbricks
FAIR!!!
R1) 189. HHJ Cowell: C4 246
The claimants made a claim for
£280,540 from the defendants & £164,??? From the insurers for delays water
damage, unable to assist…
C4 208 £400,000 – Gordon Ward –
Not provided sufficient evidence –
S1) 193. HHJ Cowell: C4 164 Plexus
Law 27th Nov 2007
Proper presentation of claim 2008
C4 133
Ultimate point stemming from that-
11.) Notes on ‘the defendant’s
legal submissions’ and case laws used are as follows:
Hill and Redman’s Law of Landlord and Tenant Volume 1 A3007
Woodfall Volume 1 paragraph 15.03
Cavalier v Pope [1906] A.C. 428]
Southwark London Borough Council v Mills [2001] 1 AC 1
See also Lord Millet’s references to Spoor v Green LR 9 Ex 99 and Lyttelton Times Co Ltd v Warners
Ltd 1907 AC 476
Jackson v JH Watson Property Investment Ltd [2008] 1 EGLR 33.
Baxter v Camden [2001] QB 1
Southwark v Mills
Judgements of Lord Hoffman and Lord Millet
Clerk & Lindsell on Torts, Third Supplement to 19th
edition paragraph 20-42
Dowding
& Reynolds on Dilapidations paragraphs 1-07 to 1-12]
Slade LJ said in
Duke
of Westminster v Guild [1985] Q.B. 688:
Reger
International v Tiree Ltd [2007] 1 P. & C.R. 24
Cockburn
v Smith [1924] 2 K.B. 119 and Hargroves & Co v Hartopp [1905] 1 K.B.
472. In Gordon v Selico Co Ltd (supra)
Woodfall
Volume 1 paragraph 13.004
Vural
Ltd v Security Archives Ltd (1990) P.& C.R. 258.
11.)
We also submit that all the above laws are wholly irrelevant and misleading as
they relate to Landlords and Tenants Law apart from the last one which is
finally in regard to insurance: Vural LTD v Security Archives Ltd (1990)
(1) D has also
produced to the Court the case of Vural Ltd v Security Archives Ltd (1990)
P.& C.R. 258. It should be noted that in that case the landlord
deliberately dragged his feet and the case was decided in that context. In that
context the landlord was found to be in breach of an implied obligation to
exercise the rights conferred by the policy of insurance in such a way as to
preserve the tenant’s interests. It is submitted that the most that can be
implied is a duty to take reasonable steps and that there must be a correlative
duty on the tenant’s part to provide necessary information etc, or
alternatively, any failure on the part of the tenant suspends the landlord’s
duty or prevents him being in breach.
12.) It would be nice for Ms
Bhaloo to bang on and on about Jo when she has no idea of Jo’s 25 years history
in children’s rights, including lobbying the House of Lords and changing the
law, or for Ms Bhaloo to explain the in’s and outs of pinholes for diversion
but the facts still remain that disrepair on the most outrageously enormous
scale took place at the premises. Each incident was insured and the landlord in
a monumental way has gone to great lengths without any costs to itself in
anyway to ruin the lives of the claimants rather than admit ‘liability’ or
mediate in any humane way to refund the damage and equity of the claimant.
13.) HHJ Cowell makes no mention
of the dispute between the building insurers UKU building insurers and Royal
And Sun Alliance ‘liability’. This is the reason why there were such delays and
the claimants suffered as stated in the ‘claimant’s submissions on liability’.
To shorten the story of 92 pages we will briefly explain here in just a few
pages some of the evidence of the events behind the scenes that lead to the
landlord’s aggressive actions to rid themselves of the claimants as neither
insurers wanted to pay CHA to then pay the claimants for policy covers as UKU
insurers said the landlord breached the policy cover which was an act of
omission which inadvertently proves our case that they were ‘liable’. However
when the landlord triggered the policy for a court action with the
encouragement of Anna Norrie they all three teamed up together to get rid of
the claim through dragging the claimant to court and great costs and still we
are here.
14). There
were failures of our building insures UKU (and Royal and Sun Alliance whom they
had a sharing agreement with on excess Property Owners Liability) and possibly
FARR PLC the insurance broker would also be at fault since it was a long winded
and serial complex matter which FARR PLC was so clearly a part of as even
recent covers in 2008 that could have helped the leaseholders were not
triggered by the broker with full knowledge of the facts. The insurance file D1
presented in the county court with the policy documents we received on
disclosure can assist showing all policy covers. The 'submissions on liability
on behalf of the claimant' file with all the 358 appendix's made references to
the submissions have been given to the court of appeal for ease of reference
(to save jumping from file to file) and the 'unheard case of the claimants'
file (which we were asked to put into an email very unorthodox) by Judge Cowell
because the case ran over the 10 days time element has too been filed at the
court of appeal with an index.
15) The
claimants make reference to these files and ask that you refer to them during
the course of this appeal if necessary for evidence that our claim was valid
under the terms of our policy well before it ever got to the stage of
litigation and dirty tricks in terms of eviction.
It was an
ongoing claim from 2004 that should have been resolved legitimately and under pre
action protocol rules as well as in accordance with the Financial Services
Authority regulations.
In experiencing
excessive delays because the landlord breached the policy and not getting paid
under the POL section of the policy for the liabilities of the landlord (which
were undisputed by the loss adjuster Alan Hines who said in his preliminary
report that he regards these claims as competent for consideration under the POL
policy.
16) The
other issues namely litigation fee's to recover our costs in the ‘defence of a
policy holder’ (or the inaction to pay us and recover the companies losses)
where they view us as the third party, due to the amounts at stake and
magnitude of corruption/deceit involved having great consequences for all
concerned in different ways. We believe that the commercial decision that was
made to view us as the third party is wrong as the policy states we are to be ‘treated
as if we had insured as a separate party’. We would seriously question if this
is ethical or lawful towards a smaller party as small businesses would then
have to question whether it is worth their while ever having joint cover with a
landlord especially when this is exposed on our www.youthparliament.co.uk website
and any other media’s as is still our right to do so in the public’s interest
and the interests of small businesses falling into the same or similar trap as
befell us.
17) In
reference to the above files presented as evidence to you. Please note due to
excessive use of these files as evidence the numbering for the Court of Appeal
is placed on the right hand side of the page in the middle of the page marked
P.1, P.2, etc.
18) P.3.
+ P.4 (from file D1/152a/152b) 'It is CHA's responsibility to ensure the
commercial units are free of damage. Undue care to carry out this
responsibility may result in the tenants of commercial units placing CHA on
notice which would then have to be notified to CHA's (the landlord) own
indemnity insurance as the tenant has the right to claim for damages, loss of
business and loss of income as well as anything else they can throw at CHA. If
a commercial unit suffers damage and loss they have the right to withhold their
rent, Jaqui Greene CHA the landlord 15th August 2005.
19) P.15
(from file D1 301-305) Although I can see from my copy of the file that was
sent to you that you just have page 302 (I am sorry for this photocopying error
but have popped the rest of the pages in the post to you as evidence although
the same report is in the insurance file) it is stated under the heading POLICY
LIABILITY by the independent loss adjuster Alan Hines 'Apart from those claims
which are for consideration by the building insurers, otherwise we regard these
claims as competent for consideration under the POL policy. (A reserve of
£30,000 was put on the claim in this interim report for consideration by UKU)
20) P.26
(from file D3/696) RSA took advice on policy liability and after counsel advice
where it was said by counsel ‘it appears that one or other of the insurers
should be dealing with the liability claim’ the RSA also put a reserve of
£100,000 in 2007 on the claim as the UKU policy had the combined liability excess
with RSA if there was liability excess needed. Proposal for a ‘sharing
agreement’ was stated as a way forward in this email evidence, on the 11th
June 2007 by ‘Claims Manager’ Pauline Watling of FARR PLC joint building
insurance broker.
21) P.27 (from
file D3/710) On the 6th July 2007 the legal representatives of RSA
wrote to UKU because an obvious ‘satellite dispute’ had arisen where UKU were
saying that the landlord had an ‘act of omission’ 2a and 2b and therefore the cover was void. The legal rep
Anna Norrie of Plexus Law suggested instead of a joint approach in covering and
paying out the claim that they would all join together to put the claimant to
the legal route and not admit liability but force the claimant to court. This
flies straight in the face of pre-action protocol and is against Jackson
proposals it breaches the regulatory authority guidance and is also very
aggressively putting us the policy holder unfairly to more costs when we had
nothing wrong but have building problems which were out of our control.
Tactic’s about ‘presenting’ a claim properly were used meaning ‘how deep are
your pockets get a solicitor and fight us if you can’, dirty corruption using
power and money against us the policy holders and attempting a leap to quantum
without any admission or denial of liability which breaks all the rules. Also
putting us to more costs with forcing us to pay for 4 years of accounts to be
audited on demand from RSA with no offer of paying for that from them a policy
cover when presenting a claim, so a further £2,000 for us to pay to progress
the claim, dirty tactics by top legal professional Anna Norrie of Plexus Law on
behalf of the now very much joint parties who were simply not wanting to pay
for all their own agendas even though we were covered and their legal counsel
had told them so. We accused them all of breaching pre-action protocol and they
then tried to turn this around saying we were breaching it instead by not
‘presenting’ (useless word) particulars of claim properly which was ridiculous
as we presented everything then that was only later used in court yet and
nothing more except a further £8,500 forensic accountants report which was the
same if not similar to our already paid for audited accounts yet they keep
asking us to ‘present’ properly never saying what they meant and because
initially they knew full well they had gone and breached the pre-action
protocol wildly by not admitting or denying liability as any insurer is meant
to. With absolutely no one being able to stop them (apart from the landlord
morally who could just ‘admit liability’ as their insurances had told them they
were in breach of the policy so were ‘liable’) in preventing further losses by
the claimants because of the strangle hold of Plexus Law an aggressive law firm
with no other agenda than to dance us into a legal battle as is their
litigation preference from day one with big boots and deep pockets a wholly
disgusting stance by all involved which should be reprimanded.
22) P.35
(from file C4 142) On 4th Jan 2008 email from our appointed claims
assessor Alan Harris of ‘Harris Claims’ one of the top loss assessor in the
country addressed to Anna Norrie of Plexus Law requesting that a firm of
independent chartered loss adjusters be appointed so quantum could be agreed, a
mild and correct approach which would have saved costs for both parties and is
in accordance with the rules and guidance of pre-action protocol. Alan Harris
asked for the umpteenth time ‘Can you confirm once and for all whether policy liability
has been admitted’ as is the normal procedure.
23) P.40
(from file C4 147) On the 19th Dec 2007 Alan Harris states ‘It is
for insurers to appoint independent chartered loss adjusters to meet with the
writer and discuss the merit of quantum of claim presented and to adjust
accordingly.’ He asks again ‘has liability has been formally repudiated.’
24) P.42
(from file C4 149 + 150) On 14th Dec 2007 Ms Jo Flores (nee: Gavin)
writes to Plexus Law Anna Norrie quoting the pre-action protocol after speaking
to BIBA the British Association of Insurance Brokers and a number of other
agencies, Jo Flores says ‘1.5 The overriding objective (Civil Procedure Rules
that apply to all law courts rule 1.1) applies to the pre-action period. The
protocol must not be used as a tactical advantage device to secure advantage
for one party or to generate unnecessary costs. In lower value claims (such as
those likely to proceed in the county court), the letter of claim and the
response should be simple and the costs of both sides should be kept to a
modest level. In all cases the costs incurred at the Protocol stage should be
proportionate to the complexity of the case and the amount of money, which is
at stake. The protocol does not impose a requirement on the parties to marshal
and disclose all the supporting details and evidence that may ultimately be
required if the case proceeds to litigation.’ Jo further adds ‘it sounds like
you want us to employ expensive solicitors, at unnecessary cost, when we have
one of the best loss assessors in the country that understands FSA rules.
Details in ‘presenting’ our claim ‘properly’ are being asked for but not
‘specified’ yet we have presented all we know. We have been in contact with you
since July 2006. You are enticing us into a legal battle. Other avenues have
not been used yet like the Housing Minister, the FSA and the Secretary of
State. We look forward to settling the matter without recourse to litigation.
Jo the copies and pastes the rules that should be followed which are: ‘The general
aim of this protocol is to ensure that before court proceedings commence: (i)
the claimants and the defendant have provided sufficient information for each
party to know the nature of the others case; (ii) each party has had the
opportunity to consider the other’s case, and to accept or reject all or any
part of the case made against him at the earliest possible stage; (iii) there
is more pre-action contact between the parties; (iv) better and earlier
exchange of information occurs; (v) there is better pre-action investigation by
the parties; (vi) the parties have met formally on at least one occasion with a
view to – defining and agreeing the issues between them; and – exploring
possible ways by which the claim may be resolved; (vii) the parties are in a
position where they may be able to settle cases early and fairly without
recourse to litigation; and (viii) proceedings will be conducted efficiently if
litigation does become necessary.’
25) P.46
(from file C4/90-91) Email dated Sept 2008 from the claimants to Alan Harris,
which graphically explains in a lot of detail the events that have occurred in
recent months. The claimants have worked tirelessly putting together the
required information regarding the audited accounts to go to the chartered accountant
even though as a small business this time consuming work was never required.
Interest on loans to stay in business and unduly enrich the landlord by still
paying rent whilst not be able to trade due to defects in the building which
are still not covered by the insures in an attempt to either cost us out of the
claim or put us out of business making the claim disappear are now standing
£30,530.67.
26) There
are further leaks and a discovery that the there is no ventilation namely
airbricks in the space making it breach part f building regulations rendering
it an illegal venue to trade from just to put the cherry on top! Loses are
stated in terms of clients enquiries at £7,500 a month for the central London
venue alone ‘spaceshift..’ a contemporary multi-functional space available for
hire at 106 Cromer Street, in the hub of St Pancras International business
community and a request for an answer as to whether liability has been admitted
or denied is asked for again some two years and two months after dealing with
now both RSA and UKU insurers over the liability claim. This has now got to
breach every rule in the FSA. Dirty tricks are afoot from the new landlord ‘One
Housing Group’ changing the dates of two different shops rents to be paid on
the same date suddenly making an eviction attempt all for one and one for all
(three weeks later they ceased both shops on the same day an impossible tactic
without this rent date change), to the claim for the floor is being ignored by
UKU and OHG are trying to double our rent if we don’t pay £5,000 for it an
‘improper inducement’ to fix it ourselves with the local councillor and later
as our witness in the county court as the local Mayor trying his best to
mediate with CHA over the floor situation and stop the improper rent increase,
to a section 25 being issued doubling the rent anyway whether we paid for the
floor an insured risk or not, to the ‘cessor of rent clause’ in the lease being
ignored, to Steeles Law some local solicitors who we met at one of our business
events and who befriended us as victims of a bad situation and later turn out
to be the God Parents of the other sides solicitors and over charge us £7,000
for one letter to the landlord asking for ‘cessor of rent’, so one is not
knowing who to trust and there is an air of aggression by all concerned to get
us out of those shops to conceal the recent evidence of the part f breach of
building regulations which is a massive building error the landlord will be
very aware is yet keep denying it and trying to palm it off on health and
safety our problem which clearly it isn’t and they also have three insurance
covers for it but won’t admit it because they knew from the start so that is
fraud and passing off the premises as A3 when an animal is not allowed to be there
legally and though this document does not state this to eventual ‘trespass’
when the rent was paid but they said they maybe lost the cheque as a lot of
cheques had gone missing lately said Clarence in the finance department when we
phoned upon being trespassed against. These people at the time who are all
clearly collaborating against us are trying any trick in the book to get rid of
us and all correspondence shows the collaboration directed by the UKU and the
RSA and FARR PLC and all their joint legal reps and PR guru’s with the landlord
directed like a lamb and following advice given very willingly with no
conscience for the effects on us a small business with big ambitions for an
independent Youth Parliament economy.
27) P.48
(from file D3/831) An email 5th June 2008 from FARR PLC stating as
far along as 5 months after the floor damage that UKU still needed certain
information on the floor when the landlord and FARR PLC and UKU had already
been given two quotes from us the policy holders to repair the floor since Jan
2008. This claim was to simply process a ‘current’ material damage claim of
consequential damage from flooding where the floor has peeled up, with mould
growth and the underneath was damp. This is a simple well-known effect that can
occur later after a flood, which had already been subject to an loss adjusters
assessment with the original flooding so it should’ve been a straight forward
claim. Matthew Greenhalgh of FARR PLC say’s he can’t find any response from
Monique Jamera of the landlord regarding photo’s taken in Jan 2008 by a the
landlords surveyor Jim Gorman who claims later in court he’s lost them. that
Matthew has asked Monique for this in the May 13th email where he
also stated that ‘if the floor pre-dates the tenant’s residence I shall happily
add the detail to the material losses and arrange for an adjuster.’ So why on
earth was this being dragged out when we could not trade but were paying rent?
Monique had clearly stated too on the 13th May that all info on the
floor had already been sent so why delays and why on earth were they adding a
current ‘material damage’ claim to the ‘liability’ claim when this was a
current issue preventing trading which was easily resolved. Monique even asks
Matthew can he put it as a new claim with Zurich as they CHA/OHG have left UKU
as an insurer and all the problems associated with them not paying out behind
them anyway and even threatened to sue them which they quickly backed down from
when some dodgy email was sent back asking them to re-think their actions or
they would be made to through influences!!
28) Another
email still on 5th June from the landlords rep Monique Jamera to the
FARR PLC rep Matthew Greenhalgh asking that the claim be treated fairly and to
not lump it into the ongoing liability saga. This just goes to show that the
UKU were being deliberately unhelpful with far reaching consequences yet to
occur as a result of their inaction on the floor and inaction on the ‘cessor of
rent’ clause of which both would serve very nicely to try to drive the Scarlet
Maguire gallery at 104 Cromer Street WC1 out of their shops and which ever way
you look at it the delays were vindictive UKU being very aware yet dragging
their feet, some might say deliberately because of the ‘liability’ claim
outstanding.
Another
email 4th June 08’ show’s a cosy relationship between FARR PLC and
the landlord where Monique tells Matthew she has taken his advice and is
forwarding all our emails to him and he to UKU obviously as a condition of the
policy since they have clearly already made their camps against us before any
litigation or mediation or negotiation which flies in the face of us ‘being
treated as if we had insured separately’. The ‘audited accounts’ tactic from
Anna Norrie which involved month’s of work left them all for a short while
pointing the finger now at us saying we have still not provided the information
requested (meaning the £2,000 audit) Monique’s familiarity with the broker who
is gathering info for UKU is so apparently and not professional or impartial,
she say’s in an email referring to us the policy holders and victims of these
building fiasco’s “I’m losing my patience with her” and it’s not the first of
this kind of familiarity between them they say, ‘these people’ send ;-) with
covert meanings on tactic’s and correspondence which have been planned at other
‘without prejudice’ meetings between the lot of them. It was like being up
against a mob. We just wanted our floor fixed!
29) P.85
(from file C1/326) Email 12th Dec 2005 from Alan Hines of QuestGates
(supposedly independent but the landlords surveyor would in court drop him in
it as to the fact that in the absence of witness statements from the landlord
he wrote them for the landlord himself, he was instructed by FARR PLC to
independently investigate our claim as policy holder and claimant. The end
paragraph on this page demonstrates we were the policy holder in our own right
except we were called a ‘noted interest’ and had to ‘notify’ the landlord
before they processed the claims as in our lease we were asked and did pay a
policy excess of £100 in respect of each and every incident which is only ever
asked for by a legitimate policy holder who is a leaseholder of the landlord’s
conditional freehold with Camden.
30) P.86
(from file D1/257) 14th Oct 2005 email from FARR PLC to us the
policy holder that the ceiling repair estimate is over £5,000 (which is the
‘material damage’ ceiling replacement not the ‘liability’ claim but it wasn’t
over £5,000 anyway) so a loss adjuster will have to be appointed for the repair
and the ‘liability’ claim jointly but no ‘cessor of rent’ is offered to us the
claimants and the repair is not carried out by the landlord to mitigate our
losses even though they have the means, as set out in a clause in the leases
but has to be done by ourselves to mitigate further losses (ceiling £3,000)
because of excessive delays in the insurers paying out of 9 months on yet
another straight forward insured ‘material damage’ claim. To add to our
problems ‘liability’ was fast becoming a joint claim against the landlord’s
‘liability’ in being slow and now the insurers too we thought back then but
since we did not known what was going on in the background in that the landlord
was causing the delays because they had been told they voided the policy
solicitors would tell us later that this was a claim against the landlord and
the insurers could be looked at later if FSA regulations had been breached. We
were a small business and we were not made of money. Please note the
‘liability’ claim would not be entertained unless POL (Property Owners
Liability meaning fault/liability of the owner) policy cover was in place,
which it was, it was a policy cover. Tushar Shar financial controller of the
landlord in writing to Karen Brett of FARR PLC smacks of collusion when he says
in his first ever email over the claim ‘I’m not sure how you want to PLAY this
claim’ (P.146 from file D1/154) showing the landlord, the broker and UKU were
definitely partisan in all actions from then on in as if they insured only the
one party. The claim is still outstanding as set out in the terms of our cover
and are not subject to ‘landlords and tenants law’ as we still held legitimate
cover and still do, as set out in our premium contribution towards the building
insurance duly paid of course as was required as part of the contract in our
leases in paying for building insurance of the landlords choosing and illegal
for us to get another building insurer as was required of us contractually (in
the unlikely event to cover some snags if this building 17 million pound new
build from public funds had any problems.) The building insurance may have
‘defended’ the ‘forfeiture’ claim of the landlord in court (which seems weird to us as the building
insurers don’t seem to have a cover to do that or the two injunctions actions
once we’d been broken into the second time we obtained on the same day and
successfully held for two years by the claimants at the High Court because when
even the High Court Judge didn’t understand the forfeiture since proof of
payment of rent was shown and the Judge ordered that all the disrepair issues
and harassment which we claimed had lead to this sudden appearance in the
court. We were defending an action of trespass and supposed forfeiture in what
was an outstanding and ongoing ‘liability’ claim as well as the outstanding
‘material damage’ claims (even during the court case which requests were again
simply ignored and the damage never fixed despite practically begging them
through the solicitors to fix the floor and air bricks) so forfeiture which is
what the insurers were ultimately defending has nothing to do with disrepair
being a cause of action it was just consequential to the trespass and needed
airing before a decision could be made on trespass v’s forfeiture! Just because
a landlord attempts to defence themselves on ‘caveat emptor’ which means ‘buyer
beware’ or ‘you can let a tumbled down house’ (extraordinary defence for a
public body I might add) or put themselves as a neighbouring occupier some sort
of trying to get out of it clause this bears no relation to our building
insurance policy cover it just happens to hi-light the same issues but against
the landlords action of confiscating our shops illegally with full
refurbishment unduly enriching themselves. This ‘liability’ matter is still
very much outstanding. The insurers have all fought for the landlord on a
‘fictious’ (apparently the landlord lost the £6,000 rent cheque form us and
broke in!) non-payment of rent and forfeiture case, which we call ‘TRESPASS’
and that was their problem and decision to do so even though personally we
can’t see why they did since we asked for the same legal defence and they
didn’t cover us as a separate policy holder but that would seem to be a
commercial decision they were perfectly entitled to make. I say still now this
was madness of them they really should of backed us and not feared the CHA not
re-insuring with them since they left them anyway even though they backed them
and perhaps many housing associations left them too as these RSL’s are well
known to have political influence with all the other’s RSL’s and at least with us they’d have
won on every ground even morally if they have any because we have the truth
which is very easy to remember, not a pack of lies, confusion and error.
31) P.136
(from file D1/149) This email dated 12th Aug 2005 is more evidence
as to delays. Email from Jaqui Coleman on behalf of Chris Natt Commercial
Director of CHA to Bryn Blackaby, Buildings and John Gregory Assistant Director
of CHA, “John this is not the case. It is the responsibility of CHA to maintain
our properties in such a condition that they do not affect the commercial
tenants in the properties below. It is not a matter for Jaqui Greene it is a
matter for your department and whether it is you or Bryn who has to deal with
it is not a concern of mine. What I want is this matter dealt with efficiently
and without delay. Will you therefore please liaise with Bryn and ensure that
our insurance company are put on notice via Tushar Shar in Finance.
32) P.139 +
140 + P.142 (from file D1/153) These sets of initial emails show confusion on
behalf of the landlord, the broker and the insurers as to how to process a
claim with all contradicting each other. The insurance cover states clearly that
leaseholders are considered as if they had ‘insured separately’ and anyone with
half a mind among them could easily read that in the policy. The process for us
was to simply put the landlord on ‘notice’ since we were a mere ‘noted
interest’ on a massive buildings policy and they wouldn’t have all their
leaseholders contacting the insurance company so that was the procedure and we
clearly did put them on ‘notice’as we screamed “LEAKS” throughout! On page 140
there is clear evidence form Jaqui Greene that business interruption and loss
of income is a claim we the ‘policy holders’ can make if the ‘liability’ is the
landlords through an ‘act of omission’ and we may ‘withhold our rent’ which we
did NOT ever as this we checked way back with a legal advice centre was one of
five things that could give grounds for repossession so they advised us always
to pay. We may have argued not paying rent, we may have delayed in paying rent
but we never once failed to pay.
33) P.143 +
144 (from file D1/275 + D1 276) Initial corruption on whether we were actually
leaseholders at all even though we clearly are as we hold a commercial lease as
assessed by our solicitors when the leases commenced, so its all perfectly
legal. Paperwork in their files were later was played with probably by their
solicitors to include an odd paper of two pages with no code references like
the rest of the policy so clearly they had just inserted it for their own
reasons which never worked anyway as it stating laughably ‘we have some
commercial properties and ‘these people’ are tenants not leaseholders. It is so
badly worded it was obvious that since all had dealt with us improperly they
needed to try anything even to change our status now too to suit them. Perhaps
that what Tushar Shar in Finance at CHA meant with ‘playing a claim’. However,
this email from the insurance broker Karen Brett of FARR PLC to CHA shows
inadvertently the correct procedure, “If the claim had been from a leaseholder,
both ourselves and the loss adjuster would have dealt direct with the
leaseholder as they would be a policy holder in their own right”
34) P.152 +
153 (from file C2/2/16 + D3/819) Evidence the vinyl flooring was a landlord’s
fixture and therefore insured. The shop was re-numbered 104 when Ms Flores got
the shop and not 102a as seen in this evidence where the vinyl flooring is
listed as part of the publicly paid for refurbishment in 1999 and the landlord
knew full well it was. Also makes the 13th May 2008 email between
Matthew and Monique as referred to above regarding the floor covering and
questions over whether it is a tenants fitting clear, that it is a landlords
fixture and a valid ‘material damage’ claim under the buildings insurance
cover. The confusion was deliberate and cunning to not pay when we said it wasn’t
our floor.
35) P.314
(from file D3/729) Reference to lack of building regulations part f approval
yet another policy cover under the buildings policy which we had claimed for
back in 2005 under ‘theft’ as well as the security shutters and since the CHA
gave the money away to the previous leaseholder apparently so they knew very
well about the ventilation because the previous leaseholders who got ripped off
by their builders told them and that is why they could not let the place
because it was illegal to trade from.
36)
Mediation was the last thing on the landlords or their insurers minds or
fairness and morals.
There were
policy covers that were in place as seen in the D1 insurance file:
As a leaseholder who paid a specific 'building
insurance premium' (a separate and distinct bill with Excesses which were
always paid for by us the lessee which would not be allowed if we were not a
distinct building insurance policy holder and would breach the terms of our
lease), we were an 'insured' party a covenanted in the leases with the
landlords lease contract all covers therefore apply to us as if we were insured
as a separate policy.
There are a number of reference points that I will as a result of the ‘Insurance File’ D1 given to the County Court draw to your attention to:
Page 5. Commercial Property - Shops - In connection with the Business of the policyholder
Page 6. Full Rebuilding Costs - including the cost of complying with local authority and or other statutory requirements
Page 7 Property insured (Commercial Property where required) The terms of the policy apply separately to each property as though each had been insured by a separate policy.
Page 9 If the property is made inhabitable by any cause insured We will pay the: Rent, Reasonable additional costs of comparable accommodation incurred by the policy holder
Page 12 Search and Trace - locating the source of damage to the property insured caused by escape of water.
Page 13 We will pay for cost of repairing damaged parts including the cost of complying with building regulations.
If property insured has not been kept in a good state of repair we will pay for cost of repair or replacement
Page 15 We will not pay for Loss or damage resulting from Faulty Workmanship, defective design
Page 18 POL All of this page especially the legal title and 7 years which leaves claim open
Page 19 Defective Premises. Any liability under paragraph 1b in respect of which policy holder lessee is entitled to indemnify from any other source (HAPM insurance for structural defects)
We will also pay defence costs and other expenses incurred
Page 20 Denial of access (fire escapes and electricity cupboard) This policy extends to include any claim resulting from interruption of or interference with the business in consequence of accidental loss destruction or damage to any property in the vicinity of the insured premises which prevents or hinders the use of or access to the insured premises whether the insured premises or property in it is damaged or not.
CROSS LIABILITY CLAUSE
If more than one policyholder is named in the schedule each policy holder so named shall be considered as a separate and distinct entity and cover shall be construed as applying to each policy holder as though each had been insured separately
Page 20 Notice of Interests - The interest of leaseholder is noted
Page 21Conditions which apply to the whole policy 1. 2. 3. 5. 8. (For the avoidance of doubt as to whether we are a policy holder) the Company agrees to accept the designation under which such property has been entered in the policy holders books.
Page 26 Notify us immediately
We may take over and conduct in the name of the policyholder exclusive control in settlement of any claim
We may also start legal action/proceedings
Fraud benefits thereunder shall be fortified
Page 27 Policyholder will not be prejudice by the actions of leaseholders (same applies)
Subrogation All neccessary steps for enforcing rights (did this mean possession as dates for rent payment were changed to repossess both shops on same day)
Page 41 Combined Liability - 2a Legal liability for damages and costs in respect of Property damage, Nuisance, Trespass or interfrence with right of AIR
Page 42 6. Excess POL Principle Extensions Compensation for court attendance £500 per day for directors which we were
Page 43 Warranties/Conditions Fire Certificate is to be kept in force for any premises. There are none.
Page 44. The Business Commercial Properties & leasholders each that deem to be noted
Page 92 Insured Interest 1. property 2. Business Interruption loss of rent and/ or alternative accommodation 2005/2006
Page 102 Commercial Property Shops which we have been notified
Contents
Page 105 We will not pay for wear and tear or damage caused by the policyholder or their employees, we will pay for loss or damage caused by escape of water
Page 107 This section provides cover for accidental damage for which you are legally responsible to pipes
Page 109 Search and Trace caused by escape of water
Page 111 Contents paid for in water escaping
Page 130 2005 paid the premium (or our part)
Page 157 RSA combined liability Insured associated companies lodged with the company (noted interest lodged)
Page 158 Section 6 Excess POL Primary Policy is UKU
Page 162 Combined Liability Insurance - Schedule which forms an integral part of the policy
Shall be considered one document
Page 164 Irrespective of the number of Persons Entitled to Indemnity under this policy shall be treated as one party or legal entity so that there will be only one single contract of insurance between the company as one party and all the persons entitled to indemnity as the other party
Page 166 General Conditions 2a maintain all buildings. b. any defect or danger to be made good 3. Every letter in connection with circumstance forwarded to company. Written notice given to Company. Company has right to defend, settle or prosecute any claim in the name of the insured.
Page 168 Business shall mean that which is in the specific schedule
Page 170 Attending court as a witness daily rate £500
Page 171 Public Liability 1 C) Nuisance - Trespass - Interference with Easement right of Air
other than legal liability for damages which result from a deliberate act or omission of the insured or natural consequence of ordinary conduct
Page 174 Extensions to Section 2a 1. Cross Liabilities If the insured compromises more than one party the company will provide indemnity to each in the same manner and to the same extent as if a separate Policy had been issued to each
2. Compensation for court attendance per day Directors £500
Page 179 A) Legal costs and other expenses B) Costs awarded against the insured Part B) 1. The landlord not covered 2. Same.
Page 180 The company shall pass notification to First Assist Group LTD they did not.
Page 183. Section 5 JCT The company will indemnify the insured parties in respect of any expense liability loss claim or proceeding, sustain by reason of damage to property, or by reasons of carrying out works. 1. Provided that; the insured parties contribution will be payable before the company is made liable 2. pay all costs in defence, investigation or settlement
Exclusions to section 5 1. A. Caused by the neglect omission or default of the contractor (landlord not covered as breached terms on all counts as proved by notice)
Page 184 Extension to section 5 A) Insured parties indemnified by reason of damage to any property happening during period of insurance B) Pay all costs in Defence or Investigation or settlement of claims
If the policy is not renewed the period of insurance under JCT shall extend to the completion date including maintenance or defects (floor)
Page 185 Conditions applicable to Section 5 (regardless of insured's contributions)
the defence or settlement of any claim to prosecute any claim in the name of the insured parties singly or jointly
Page 186 1. Excess POL. in accordance with the terms of the Primary Policy, which shall run concurrently with this policy 3. in addition where the primary policy provides. Provided that; in the event of the underlying insurers exercising a right under their policies to pay the limit of Indemnity, the company will provide indemnity for costs and expenses for which underlying insurers would have been liable had they not exercised that right B) in the event of total exhaustion continue this policy in force as the Primary insurance subject to the terms of this policy
Page 190. Limit of Indemnity shall be the maximum amount payable by the company in the circumstances stated in the schedule or elsewhere in this policy irrespective of the number of persons entitled to indemnity under this policy in respect of any insured event or during any period of insurance.
all persons entitled to indemnify under this policy shall be treated as one party or legal entity so that there will be only a single contract of insurance between the company as one party and all the persons Entitled to indemnify as the other party.
Page 192 General Conditions 2 A) and B) and 3 all breached by the landlord (3rd Party).
Page 193 Persons entitled to indemnity shall mean 1. A) The Insured 6) Business shall mean that which is specified in the schedule and conducted solely from premises in Great Britain and shall include C) fire and security and security services (security shutters and fire exit part of the claim)
Page 194. 8. Event one occurrence or series attributable to one source or original cause 9.) Insured's Contribution shall mean the amount specified in schedule which the insured agrees to pay
Page 195. The insurance provided by section 1 is on a costs inclusive basis whereby costs and expenses of the claimant and the costs and expenses (incurred by the company or with the company's written consent) of any person Entitled to Indemnify are included within the limits of indemnity stated in the schedule
Page 200. Extensions to Section 2 ( each of which is subject otherwise to the terms of this policy) 1 Cross liabilities If the insured compromises more than one party the company will provide indemnity to each in the same manner and to the same extent as if a separate policy had been issued to each.
NOT PART OF THE POLICY -
Page 211 Community also own some shops, etc which they rent out to tenants. Although Community call these people Leaseholders they are tenants of CHA - ( This needs checking badly worded derogatory and possible not written by the insurers at all so needs double checking!)
Community pays the £1000 excess and we should deal with - (same as above) We as lessee's have always paid excess on all claims.
Page 261 Zurich over 2005/2006 Part C - Business Interruption Section 2. Page 14.
Odd reference August 2002 at bottom of page - Needs clarification. Some policies are kept in existence for years or are standard.
Page 262. Insured paying the first premium the Insured will provide insurance in terms of the policy in respect of injury, loss, Damage or liabiltiy for injury or Damage as defined.
The schedule and certificates form part of and should be read in conjunction with this policy
Page 263 Consequential Loss - Loss resulting from interruption of interference with the BUSINESS carried on by the INSURED at the PREMISES in consequence of the DAMAGE to the Property used by the INSURED at the premises for the purpose of BUSINESS
Contents - Tenant's improvements, alterations and decorations.
Page 264 (d) Personal belongings of any Director, Employee, Volunteer, customer or visitor but only for an amount not exceeding £1,000 in respect of any one person
Damage Material loss or damage
Insurer Zurich Insurance Company
Premises The premises specified in the schedule owned and/or occupied by the INSURED for the purposes of BUSINESS
Page 266 Each part of this policy is declared to be a separate contract
Warranties Non-compliance with any such warranty insofar as it increases the risk of Damage will be a bar to any claim
Page 267 Claims procedure (a) Action by the Insured. On happening of any event which could give rise to a claim or on receiving verbal or written notice of any claim the Insured will: as soon as possible give notice to the INSURER (b) Rights of the Insurer. The Insurer may take over in the name of and behalf of the Insured the absolute conduct and control of all negotiations and proceedings (c) Subrogation The Insurer may take legal proceedings in the name of the Insured - for its own benefit any right of recovery of the Insured against other party and this condition will be evidence of the Insurer's right so to do whether before or after the Insured has received an indemnity.
Page 270 Part A Material Damage Section Definitions Damage Accidental Damage by any of the Insured perils specified in the schedule
Page 271 Section 2 Cover In the event of Damage to the Property insured specified in the schedule and occurring at the Premises during the period of insurance the Insurer will pay to the insured the value of the property at the time of the Damage or the amount of such Damage or at the insurers option replace, reinstate or repair the Property or any part of it
Rent The insurance on rent applies only whilst any part of the Building is sufficiently damaged to render it unfit for occupation.
Drains and Gutters - Cleaning and/or repairing drains and/or sewers and/gutters
Page 272 Tenants Subrogation Waiver - (b) the tenant contributes to the cost of insuring the buildings against the peril which caused the damage
Trace and Access In the event of Damage arising following the escape of water this insurance is extended in addition to the Sum insured to pay costs incurred in locating the source of Damage, effecting repairs and general making good
Mortgages, Freeholders and Lessors Clause Any increase in damage resulting from an act of negligence will not prejudice the interest of the lessor
provided that such risk is without their knowledge or authority
Tradesmen may be employed to effect repairs or minor structural alterations in the building without prejudice to this insurance
Page 273 Work in Progress Section 2 (b) Existing buildings and contents including any period for maintenance or making good defects
Section 3 - Cover In the event of damage to the Property insured the Insurer will pay to the insures the value of the property at the time of Damage
Section 4 Other Persons Indemnified The Insurers agree that: (a) all interests in the insurance by this part will be vested jointly in the Insured
Page 274 - Professional Fees - The insurance by each item on Works in Progress include an amount in respect of architects, surveyors, legal and consulting fees necessarily and reasonably incurred in the reinstatement or repair of Property insured consequent upon its Damage but not for preparing any claims
Exclusions (a) (i) The insurer will not be liable for the cost of repairing or reinstating any work executed as a result of it's own defective design
which was defective
Page 275 Part C - BUSINESS INTERRUPTION section 1 Special Definitions
Annual Gross Revenue The Gross Revenue during the 12 months immediately before the date of the incident
Gross Revenue The money paid or payable to the INSURED for goods sold or for SERVICES rendered in the course of the BUSINESS at the PREMISES, excluding rent for housing premises
Incident - Damage to property used by the Insured at the premises for the purpose of BUSINESS
Indemnity Period The period during which the results of the BUSINESS are effected in consequence of the Incident, beginning with the Incident and lasting not longer than the maximum Indemnity Period specified in the Schedule + Office Buildings + Standard Gross Revenue
Notes 2. Provision will be made for the trend of the BUSINESS and for variations in or other circumstances, either before or after the date of the incident, which affect the BUSINESS or would have affected the BUSINESS had the incident not occurred, and the figures for Annual Gross Revenue and Standard Gross Revenue adjusted to represent as nearly as reasonably practicable the results which would have been obtained during the relative period after the Incident if the Incident had not happened.
Section 2 - Cover (a) Additional Expenses for the sole purpose of avoiding or diminishing the interruption of the interference with the BUSINESS
Page 276 Provided that (i) insurance in force at the time of the incident covering the interest of the Insured in the Property at the Premises against such damage
and
(ii) Payment has been made or liability admitted for such damage (or payment would have been made or liability admitted for such damage but for the proviso excluding liability for losses below a certain amount)
Alternative Trading If during the Indemnity Period goods are sold or services rendered elsewhere than the premises for the benefit of the business either by the insured or by others on behalf of the insured the money paid or payable in respect of such sales or services will be brought into accounting in arriving at the gross revenue during the indemnity period
Basis of Claim settlement - (a) in respect of Additional Expenditure (i) additional costs incurred in order effectively to continue administration and maintain services including fitting of out temporary premises, costs of removal, hiring of vehicles, plant, and machinery and incidental expenses relating thereto (ii) increased costs incurred for rent, rates, taxes, lighting, heating, cleaning and insurance due to the enforced occupation of temporary premises (iii) legal, clerical and other charges incurred in the replacement or restoration of deeds, plans, specifications, documents, books of account, card indices and other office records less any sum saved during the indemnity period in the insured's normal expenditure which may have been affected in consequence of the incident
(b) (ii) In respect of an increase in Costs of Working: the additional expenditure incurred solely to avoid or diminish the reduction in Gross Revenue which but for that expenditure would have taken place during the Indemnity Period in Consequence of the Incident, provided that such additional expenditure: (1) is necessarily and reasonably incurred
Page 277 Professional Accounts - Any detail contained in the Insured's business books required by the Insurer for the for the purposes of investigating or verifying any claim may be produced by professional accountants if at any time they are regularly acting as such for the Insured and their report will be prima facie evidence of the details to which such reports relates. Te Insurer will pay to the insured the reasonable charges payable to its professional accountants for producing such evidence and reporting to the Insurer and the Insured that such details are the liability of the insurer as specified
Section 4 - Special Circumstances
1. Any loss as insured by this Part resulting from interruption of or interference with the Business in consequence of the Damage to the Property at the under noted situation within the territorial limits will be deemed to be an incident: (a) any generating station or sub-station of any public electricity supply undertaking (b) any land-based premises of any public gas supply undertaking or any natural gas producer linked directly to them (c) any water works and pumping station of any public water supply undertaking (d) any land based premises of any public telecommunications undertaking from which the insured obtained electricity, gas, water or telecommunications services (e) in the vicinity of the Premises which prevents or hinders, the use of or access to the Premises excluding any Damage to the Property of any supply undertaking to the prevents or hinders the supply of services by an electricity, gas, water or telecommunications undertaking to the premises
2. The insurance by this part is extended to include loss resulting from interruption of or interference with the BUSINESS carried on by the insured at the Office Buildings in consequence of: (a) (ii) any discovery of an organism at the office buildings likely to result in the occurrence of a Notifiable Disease (iii) any occurrence of a Notifiable Disease within a radius of 25 miles of the Office Buildings and the discovery of vermin or pests at the office buildings (c) any accident causing defects in the drains or other sanitary arrangements at the Office buildings on the order or advice of a competent local authority (Environmental Health)
Page 278 Special Provisions: (b) for the purposes of this Special Extension: (i) Indemnity Period will mean the period during which the results of the BUSINESS are affected in consequence of the occurrence, discovery or accident, beginning with the date from which the restrictions on the Office Buildings are applied (or in the case of (d) above the date of the occurrence) and ending not later than the Maximum Indemnity Period thereafter. Maximum Indemnity Period will mean three months.
Page 279 Insured Perils 2. (a) Damage or Consequential loss arising from (i) confiscation, requition or destruction by order of the government or any public authority (ii) cessation of work (c) Consequential Loss arising from deliberate erasure, loss, distortion or corruption of information on computer systems or other records, programs or software 6. Escape of water from any tank, apparatus or pipe 10. Loss of rent/temporary accommodation 11. Accidental damage to supply pipes and cables. Accidental damage to fuel oil supply pipes, water and gas supply pipes, sewerage and drainage pipes.
Page 280 15. Theft or attempted theft, other than: (c) involving parting with title and possession of any Property insured if induced to do so by fraud, trick or false pretence
The Insurer will also indemnify the Insured for the cost of: (i) repair of Damage to Buildings caused by theft or attempted theft of the PROPERTY insured where the Insured is legally responsible for the cost of repairing such Damage
16. Subsidence or Ground Heave of any part of the site on which the property stands or landslip excluding: (b) Damage or Consequential loss caused by or consisting of: (iv) defective design or workmanship or the use of defective materials (c) Damage or consequential loss which originated prior to the inception of this cover (d) Damage or consequential loss resulting from (i) demolition, construction, structural alteration or repair of any Property
17. Accidental Damage being all risks of Damage to the Property insured excluding: (b) Damage or Consequential loss caused by latent defect, gradual deterioration, wear and tear, its own faulty or defective design or materials but this will not exclude subsequent Damage or Consequential Loss which itself results from the cause not otherwise excluded
Page 282 Part D 'All Risks' Section 1 - Cover In the event of accidental Damage to the Property insured specified in the schedule arising during the Period of Insurance within the territorial limits the Insurer will pay to the insured the value of the Property at the time of the Damage or any part of it provided that the liability of the Insurer will not exceed: (a) in the whole the total sum insured.
Section 2. Exclusions The insurer will not be liable for: (b) DAMAGE caused by: (i) latent defect
Page 284 Additional Cover - 1. European Community Legislation, or 2. Building or other Regulations or Bye-Laws of any public authority (thereafter referred to as "the stipulations") in respect of Damage to Property insured - Undamaged portions Excluding: (a) the cost incurred in complying with the stipulations: (i) in respect of Damage occurring prior to the granting of cover by this extension (iii) under which notice has been served upon the insured prior to the happening of the Damage (iv) for which there is an existing requirement which has to be implemented within a given period (b) the additional cost that would have been required to make good the Property lost, distroyed or damaged to a condition equal to its condition when new had the necessity to comply with the stipulation not arisen (c) the amount of any charge or assessment arising out of capital appreciation which may be payable in respect of the Property or by the owner thereof by reason of compliance with the stipulations
Special Conditions 1. The work of reinstatement must be commenced and carried out without unreasonable delay and in any case must be completed within 12 months of the Damage or within further time as the insurer may allow (during the said 12 months) and may be carried out upon another site (if stipulations so necessitate) subject to the liability of the Insured under this extension not being thereby increased. 2. If the liability of the INSURED under this Part other than from this Additional Cover shall be reduced by the application of any of the terms and conditions of this part then the liability of the Insurer under this additional cover shall be reduced in like proportion. 3. The total amount recoverable under any item of this part in respect of this Additional Cover shall not exceed: (a) in respect of the loss, destroyed or damaged Property: (b) in respect of the undamaged portions of Property (other than the foundations) 15% of the total amount for which the Insurer would have been liable had the property insured at the premises where the Damage has occurred been wholly destroyed.
Page 285 Non-Invalidation This insurance will not be invalidated by any act omission or by any alteration which increases the risk of Damage without the authority or knowledge of or beyond the control of the insured, provided that immediately the insured becomes aware of the increased risk of Damage notice is given to the Insurer and any additional premium paid.
Professional Fees The Insurance by each item on Buildings and/or Contents includes an amount in respect of Architects', Surveyors', Legal and Consulting Fees necessarily and reasonably incurred in the reinstatement or repair of the Property insured consequent upon its damage but not for preparing any claim. The amount payable under each item will not exceed in total its Sum Insured.
Page 287 Special Conditions Designation For the purposes of determining where necessary the heading under which any Property is insured, it is agreed to accept the designation under which such Property has been entered in the Insured's books.
Other Interests It is agreed and understood that where the Insured so intend the interests of parties other than the Insured in this insurance are admitted, the nature of such interests to be declared in the event of loss.
Page 288 Exclusions 1. the Excess will apply to each and every loss in respect of each separate Premises. 2. Pollution or Contamination Damage to Property or Consequential Loss caused by or resulting from pollution or contamination but this will not exclude Damage or Consequential Loss not otherwise excluded, caused by (b) any of the insured perils 1-15 if insured which itself results from pollution or contamination 3. This exclusion does not apply to Damage or Consequential loss by theft if the Insured Perils 15 is specified in the schedule.
Page 289 4. (a) Damage to any Property more specifically insured by or on behalf of the insured (b) consequential loss of any kind other than loss of rent if insured.
Page 291 (c) The insurer's liability for Damage or Consequential Loss as set out in the sub-clause 2(a) above shall not exceed in respect of all losses arising out of any one occurrence and in the aggregate in any one period of Insurance the lower of either any limit of Liability or Sum insured stated in these parts or the Limits shown against the items in (i) to (iii) below (where insured by these Parts) after the application of all provisions of this Policy including any contributions by the Insured. (ii) (1) Houses and blocks of flats including associated loss of rent £2,500,000 (2) The costs of Alternative Accommodation and Rent in respect of Buildings described in (ii) (1) above £2,500,000 (iii) (1) Business Interruption including Rent Receivable not associated with houses and block of flats £100,000 (d) For purposes of sub-clause 2(c) above if any block of flats is partly occupied for retail or other commercial purposes the limits shall apply as follows: (i) where the proportion, designated for residential use is at least 80% of its Sum Insured the above Limit(s) of £2,500,000 shall apply to the residential portion and additionally the £100,000 limit(s) specified above shall apply to the remainder
Page 292 Special Conditions 1. The liability of the Insurer for repair or restoration of Property which is only partially damaged will not exceed the amount which would have been payable had such Property been wholly destroyed. 3. Any additional amount which may be payable solely due to this Reinstatement Condition will be paid only if: (a) Reinstatement commences and proceeds without unreasonable delay 4. (b) All the terms and conditions of this Part will apply: (b) where claims are payable as if this Reinstatement Condition had not been incorporated.
Page 293 (c) When the Buildings continue to be unoccupied after 120 days
Special Definitions Declared Value the insured's assessment of the cost of reinstatement of the Property Insured arrived at in accordance with the Reinstatement provisions at the level of costs applying at the inception of each Period of Insurance (ignoring inflationary factors which may operate subsequently) together with, insofar as the insurance by the item provides, due allowances for: (a) the additional cost of reinstatement to comply with European and Public Authority requirements (b) Professional fees
Page 294 B. Event The Insurance will not be liable for the amount of any deductibles specified in the schedule in respect of the total of all losses arising from any one occurrence as ascertained after the application of all other terms and conditions of the relevant Part(s) including Average. For losses attributed separately to Insured Perils 5 or 6 an occurrence means any separte period of 72 consecutive hours during the currency of the insurance.
Page 297 Public Liability Part F - Public Liability Section 1 - Special Definitions Financial Loss Loss or Damage other than arising from Injury or Damage to Property.
Pollution and Contamination (a) All pollution or Contamination of Building's or other structures or of water or land or the atmosphere and (b) all loss or Damage or Injury directly or indirectly caused by such pollution or contamination. Products. Goods (including containers, packaging, labeling and instructions) sold, supplied, repaired, altered, treated, erected or installed by the Insured in connection with the Business
Page 298 (d) (i) in defending any claim for damages
Section 3 - Financial Loss. The Insurer will indemnify the Insured in respect all sums which the Insured may become legally liable to pay damages and claimants cost and expenses for Financial Loss arising as a result of a negligent act or accidental error or accident omission committed or alleged to have been committed, within the geographical limits, by any employee or volunteer in, or about, or in consequence of, their duties arising out of the Business occurring during the period of Insurance.
In addition the insurer will pay all costs and expenses incurred with its written consent: (i) defending a claim. Exceptions The insurer will not be liable for Financial Loss: (a) caused by the failure of the Insured to fulfil its obligations under any contract entered into with the claimant. Section 4 - Indemnity to Other Persons. The Insurer will indemnify under the terms of this Part at the Insured's request: (d) any principle for whom the insured is or has been carrying out work but only to the extent required by the contract for work (e) (1) is not entitled to indemnify from any other source
Page 343 Legal Defence (4) The Insurer will represent the Person Insured in appealing against the imposition or terms of any Statutory Notice issued under legislation affecting the Business (The Section 25 Notice and Eviction)
Section 5 Property Protection and Bodily Injury. (A) Property Protection. Insured Incident. The Insurer will negotiate for the Insured's legal rights in any civil action relating to Property which is owned by; or the responsibility of the Insured following: (1) any event which causes or could cause Damage to such Property; or (2) any Nuisance or Trespass
Page 344 Exceptions. (5) defending a person's legal right other than in defending a counter-claim (Section 25 Notice to double the rent unless we fixed the floor (an insured risk) and an improper inducement, then illegal eviction, before any emergency court action took place to get an injunction which was upheld upon the issues of disrepair being insured risks and it being ordered that that was to be dealt with in the county court proceeding which it was further ordered were to be dealt with very expediently, no rent was to be paid further by order and Quiet Enjoyment (including the fixing of outstanding repairs) was also ordered.
Page 345 Exceptions The insurer will not provide indemnity in respect of or arising from or relating to: (1) any claim relating to: (ii) a lease, licence or tenancy of land or buildings other than a dispute with a professional adviser in connection with the drafting of a lease, licence or tenancy agreement
Page 346 Debt Recovery - Insured Incident (d) the insurer has the right to select the method of enforcement, or to forgo enforcing judgement if the Insured is not satisfied that there are, or will be, sufficent assets available to satisfy judgement. Exceptions The Insurer will not provide indemnity in respect of or arising from or relating to (1) the recovery of money and interest due from another party where the other party intimates that a defence exists.
37) Finally and without meaning to sound like we
are disrespecting the courts there is the issue of what is a fair trial?
26th March 2010 particulars of claim amendments,
hearing Costs were awarded to the other side’s solicitors. We had made no
application to change our particulars of claim yet have paid out in total
£20,000 to do so on advice/direction from the courts. The Judge who asked for
them to be changed and the other side who asked for them to be changed too
awards costs of £10,000 to the defendant. The Judge says he now understands our
original particulars and that the issues of the building repairs were outside
of our control.
June 2010 A hearing out of the blue from the other side to
deal with the section 25 with over 300 pages to read when we are already up to
our eyeballs. The Judge allows this because of a dubious email where Jo
apparently has agreed according to the other sides solicitors an extension of
six months and Jo says she did not she said it can only be sorted once the
court case hears the whole story and is a pointless exercise otherwise and the
other side’s solicitors now want the shop back despite the two injunctions.
This is more harassment and costs.
12th June 2010 The defendant still have not
disclosed simple floor plans.
(7th June)
Disclosure in full is given to the defendant because of an official
‘application’ they made to the Judge and an ‘order’ was granted to produce it
from us in 7 days every piece of financial records including very oddly and
against the data protection act personal and business bank statements from
every credit card or loan taken out in the past 8 years or the case now of 18
months can be struck out. This application had us working through the nights
and days to prevent the case being struck out but we did it. We then put the
exact same official ‘application’ in for disclosure on the 3rd May
and we didn’t even get an answer. So I went to the courts 3 weeks later to ask
what is happening to my application for them to produce ‘disclosure’ since our
case is on the 14th July and I was preparing for it to act in person
and I need the disclosure evidence including the compulsory HAPM (Housing
Association Property Management) ‘insurance’ cover for structural defects yet
another policy cover for the breach in the ‘part f building regulations’ that
they the defendant still have not triggered. The 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008,
2009 and current buildings insurance documents that His Honour Judge Clarke in
the High Court had asked us to write reference to, when citing defects and the
insurance that cover them, floor plans proof of the location of the toilet
above as to whether it was flat 2 or 3 that flooded us (as they originally had
the mordacity to blame a mentally ill person above saying he’d left his bath
taps on and that a ‘made up’ work of fiction social worker turned them off,
when we had the man’s mother a very eminent lady as a witness who said her son
was ill in hospital at the time and the carpets were dry and still are as we
saw them so the floor plans were the simplest way of proving these lies from
the landlord). The much needed proof of the insurance claims sent to the
building insurance, with dates of when they were triggered as we knew they had
broken the terms of the policy so this was crucial evidence if (as it turns
out) the ‘Vural Case’ of the landlord dragging its feet was to be entertained.
A long list of other disclosure crucial to the case was asked for but I won’t
put that in full here as its on record but it was 24 items. When I arrive at the court offices, the
court officials simply say that the application has been on the Judges desk for
two days and will be dealt with in a week. Four weeks later, being very polite
still, on a Monday, I email this time, as I have been really very patient
enough and on the Friday of that same week I actually got an official reply
from the Judges clerk who emailed me back saying, “The Judge is on holiday and
will deal with the application when he gets back” with no date as to when that
was. The upshot of the ‘application’ was that it was never dealt with and
disclosure was never handed over. So on the start of trial day 1, we had a
quick hearing because I asked time and time again for these documents leading
up to trail and the answer was a quick one ‘No’. So the trial proceeded without
this evidence.
On the 8th July
2010 just four days before trial the landlord organised mediation (with their
insurers on the end of a phone we later realised). This was a hoax mediation
that made no serious offer. We believed their offer of mediation entirely
because we thought that the social landlord knowing that they couldn’t really
carry on to take their defence of lies on this case any further, especially not
in a public court that we rushed to employed a specialist counsel, QC Matt
Kelly of Essex street and Lynne Brooke of Veale Wansborough, at a great cost of
£10,000 for urgent preparation (and to not waste time as this was a one day
mediation so all issues to be discussed needed professionals to be capable of
fine tuning and presenting the claim to the other side legal team) in the days
mediation. With just one weeks notice we were only to find the insurers just
wanted to save the costs of the ten days trial and no more, our QC could not
believe it, this was just a heart breaking trick that we fell hook, line and
sinker for and to this day we don’t know why we took them seriously and wasted
our time and this urgently borrowed money, distracting us also from the trial
that was imminent, the pressure was a disgusting tactic which only serves to
show that this is what they called pre-action mediation. We felt like idiots.
However one thing came of it which was our QC who was paid to read everything
gave opinion and said we have a 50/50 chance of winning. He said if the Judge
digs deep enough, they will get it! He said that the reason it’s 50/50 is
simply because we will be representing ourselves.
On the 11th July
2010 the landlords solicitors put us the claimants under more pressure. They
made an application to take the Scarlet Maguire gallery at 104. This hearing
was to take place on the first day of trial. Normal notice of such an
application would be 21 days but we had just 4 days and this was astonishingly
allowed.
On the 11th July
the landlord asked could they send around a surveyor the next day to value
spaceshift… at 106, this was further harassment as we still had injunctions for
‘Quiet Enjoyment’ on the premises and the psychology from them was that they
were already valuing what they wanted to steal from us at court including the
roughly £50,000 worth of refurbishment unduly enriching themselves off our hard
work, including a £3,000 boiler with full central heating and real wood floor,
glass bar, real gold leafing and bespoke wooden blinds, integrated surround
sound system, which is all still at the active condensation and smelly premises
that need air and they still can’t seem to let even now. Although in Nov 2011
they have even stolen our IP and advertised the spaces as serviced offices and
now suddenly have client’s, which could make you laugh if it wasn’t so tragic
that they’ve stolen our idea as well as the premises and advertise them with
our photo’s stolen off our website www.spaceshift.co.uk
a full year without a tenant it’s pathetic. Still if they are short-term lets
then as long as nothing is damaged reinstatement is easier.
We had the world’s leading
expert in damp Mike Parrett (who does work for the inner templar) surveyed both
the premises for the courts and he stated that 106 had active condensation to
the extent of a swimming pool or a brewery, the comprehensive report was never
heard at the trial because Jo Flores never got to present her case in this one
sided trial but it is available in the files.
The 19 volumes of case file
bundles were couriered to Jo Flores at home by the landlord’s solicitor’s just
days before trial. The order to the bundles had been changed and this made it
nearly impossible to provide references in paperwork when and if as it turned
out we would ever present our case (which never happened) and this was awful
whilst questioning the witnesses. This meant working during the day
representing ourselves because at night we were getting the correct references
to put to the witnesses to not waste the time of the trial but we managed. Much
of the files were also duplicated in the defendant’s files when they were
already in the claimants prepared files and many of the key documents were now
missing which HHJ Cowell did actually criticise as suspicious.
At the end of July after a
ten days trial with four days in the witness box for Ms Flores with the other
side putting evidence questions to her when she was not allowed her files again
a defendant led unfair trial with Jo stuck in the box and was allowed only to
rely on memory and even though she could remember very well this was not fair
or legal as she represented the claimants and she was then told that the case
had run out of time. This ridiculous situation lasting four full days and
fiercely protested ever day by Jo with comments like ‘this is not bible study’
because of the slow snails pace of going through emails which we all had and
never getting to the point and very often read in full to delay proceedings was
allowed by the Judge so obviously this was fast becoming a one sided one-way
led trial, ignoring the insurance story completely.
Ms Flores begged to be
heard on many occasions and was given an afternoon only because a witness of
the claimant’s from Camden’s Environmental Department Mr Dave Wagg had failed
to turn up because their ‘legal department’ suddenly took advice in the lunch
hour before he was arriving and he was ordered not to despite having written a
witness statement. Suspicious yes but then again Camden and CHA/OHG were in
business together as OHG/CHA are the preferred provider of social housing stock
to be given to them with millions of pounds of grants too so it was hardly a
surprise. The time slot was clearly lucky though for Jo to start putting our
case into the public realm so Jo fired through our case to at least get some
balance but it was not enough and no other time was allocated to the claimants
with Ms Flores being told at the end of the ten days trial having raised the
matter again “can you put the rest of your case in an email and I promise I’ll
read it by HHJ Cowell. She had planned the case for two years, off the back of
a 6 years dispute leading to unlawful eviction and that was the law handed out
‘put it into an email’ and although the Judge promised to read it he also made
no reference to the email in Judgment. The Court of Appeal now have this file
and the index that was sent but it is not the same as presenting it and it
being defended, this is not law and this is not legal! Ms Bhaloo’s makes no
mention of the email either in her submission’s and when asked in September by
the Judge had she received it she even said ‘no’, though we have email evidence
it was sent to her and the Judge this was just beggaring belief, the shock of
this kind of behaviour became expected by the claimant’s in this expensive
farce we just smiled at how bad one can be done over it was something to be
seen to be believed absolutely incredible. Lawful or seen as a fair trial, NO!
The other sides QC was
given three weeks to put her ‘submissions on liability on behalf of the
defendant’ together and then to send this to us the claimant’s. We on the other
hand were given just 10 days from the date of receiving hers. Another old trick
employed with our ten days falling over two weekends and one was a bank
holiday, hardly time to get counsel opinion (‘5 Paper’ Middle Temple Barrister
Guy Holland took a look for £2,000 to quickly advise on law ‘Hargrove’ but that
was a squeeze to get his legal opinion in the time allocated.) before being
back in court for the ‘liability’ Judgment. We put our ‘submissions on
liability on behalf of the claimant’ in on the 7th Sept and Judgment
was on the 9th Sept 2010. The reason for asking for more time by
email to both the Judge and the other side was this timing. Still a remarkable
job was done with the 92 pages and 245 paragraphs opting for a detailed
allocation of the facts agreed and disagreed which Guy said was the better
approach to just do what we could re facts and not so much law as there was no
time and it would be too expensive to read all the bundles and we only had
£2,000 left of all the money we had already spent so that is the budget we
offered him but it was better than nothing. Hargrove we now knew much more
about. The giving of ‘NOTICE’! So this we showed painstakingly in our
submissions.
Despite Ms Jo Flores in her
own opinion making mince meat of the witnesses in court as idiots, liars and
mercenaries, they tripped over themselves said all the wrong things
contradicting their statements, couldn’t back up the pack of lies written for
them and even admitted they hadn’t written their own statements, they showed
heartlessness and sheer incompetence backed up with defiance just because they
had a legal team coaching them and remarkably the Judge gave excuses for them
in his judgments. At some point saying that Mr UK the surveyor and main culprit
of all the troubles was ‘naïve’ because he thought that the soaking wet
excrement so saturated you could take the wall down with your hands, it would
‘dry out’ and could be painted over (please see the photo’s the 9 foot area of
walls are yellow and brown). The word ‘naïve’ was an extraordinary example of
this bias pro-landlord judgment, for Mr UK was meant to be a so-called
competent surveyor working for a public landlord and the word naïve means
literally ‘showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality;
unsophisticated; ingenuous, having or showing a lack of experience’. Why did
the Judge feel to make such comments they are not points of law or even ethical
they do not excuse behaviour and cannot be used in defence to make law? The
Judge got an eye opener at these employees it was like a ‘carry on’ movie I saw
the Judge raise his eyebrows many times at them and I was enjoying hauling them
up into the court at long last to answer where they had just hid before and the
fact they made such blatant fools of themselves, they couldn’t trace and repair
a leak if it was in their face which it was and nor could they defend
themselves so how on earth pray tell did they get so white washed as squeaky
clean in the Judgement which is why the transcripts would prove this but alas..
Justice No! I couldn’t belief what I was hearing. Slapped in the face from on
high!
The Judgement was meant to
be in writing we were told as the Judge said he had a pain in his leg so was in
bed. Then I get a call at 10.30am saying ‘where are you the Judge is handing
down Judgement, you have until 11.15am to get here’.
We arrive at 13 past 11
which is lucky and the Judge starts speaking Greek re the law stating he
prefers Guild and ‘but if I’m wrong about that, Ms Bhaloo QC evidence is
preferred’ so I furiously take notes. The smile grows bigger and bigger as I
listen to a real miscarriage of justice, it’s like a film. The four months of
shit down the wall’s gets a Mr NIAVE approach, the leaking pavement roof and
large mouldy brains growing from the saturation was indeed proved that the
pavement lights DID belong to the landlord (our case and proved very well with
a letter from roads at Camden) which had been fiercely was denied by the
defendants QC but the Judge said that because the road was ‘so easily
accessible’ he gave the excuse that we the claimants could have got the public
pavement fixed ourselves by paying thousands of pounds to the defendants
contractors who we were not allowed to even contact (but did try to because we
tried everything and got told off it in writing and forbidden to contact them again
and they wouldn’t take our calls) this was the most amazingly imaginary
scenario that was not even legal in itself regarding touching someone’s else’s
property especially on a public path albeit belonging to the CHA. Another point
is why would we ‘adopt’ the leak. That would have worked out even worse for us
legally. So although we victoriously won our point, which was a relief, this
was also white washed over with pure legally unaccounted for Judgment as to
remedy, never put to us in court and now dropped like a brick on our heads. The
goal posts were being moved surreally it really was such a laughing stock and a
shame for any court to do such a thing and get away with it that was a real
kicking with big boots unreal!
I stood up and asked one
question with such dignity as what could you do?
I said ‘your honour did you
read the claimants submissions of 92 pages and 245 paragraphs’ the Judge smiled
and said ‘yesssss’ so I bowed and said, “fuck you your honour” and sat down.
They all looked at each other and no one said anything, the QC you could tell
wanted to say something to defend this cosy little legal family but flustered
she knew better they all knew and he looked furious as he bit his lip for he
knew what he had done their was no excuse for it, it was corruption but how did
they manage this how did they think they would get away with the obvious this
was a one way trial going through the motions and the joke was on us. The
system is rotten to the core. Money making sinecures, chancery and equity eat
your heart out they are as bad as the bankers. I am glad to have seen this in
my lifetime but that is about it.
The costs hearing for the
following Monday was rushed into and arrangements were made for this but I just
could not take this corruption lying down not while it was obvious there was a
need for an appeal and a stay before taking everything off us on the Monday.
The hearing had to be stopped. (On a side note the circus in the court was
interesting sometimes 22 of them vs. Chantal and I. Who were these people? What
was so important about our case?)
So the day after I set out
to appeal and to get the Judgement in writing in order to translate the Greek
that had cost us this Judgement. Firstly although we were again not told this
in court and when you are representing yourself you should have some guidance
by the Judge who’s only ‘duty’ is to ensure a fair trial that you have to ask
for ‘permission to appeal’ on the day only.
The judgement I am chasing
furiously and am told that it is not to be put in writing which is then lucky
for my meticulous notes except the Greek bit but I write to the Judge to ask
him to approve my notes as that is what the solicitors and lawyers do and I can
too because I am my legal team. So far no reply hmm!
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i confirm the receipt of the document.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scarlet Maguire Gallery [mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 13 September 2010 23:28
To: McINTYRE Lynsey; PushkarKapole
Cc: 'Michael Ireland'
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
From: Scarlet Maguire Gallery [mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 13 September 2010 23:28
To: McINTYRE Lynsey; PushkarKapole
Cc: 'Michael Ireland'
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
Dear Mr Kapole,
I have since Friday called the courts as well as today all day and have mostly terrible trouble getting through. When I did it would appear there would be a good delay in getting the Judgment of HHJ Cowell on Thursday 9th Sept 11.15am transcribed as well as this being a costly exercise. Since we are claimants in person most of the law parts of the judgment were difficult to take down in note form with no real knowledge of these cases, spellings etc. Would you be so kind as to ask HHJ Cowell to approve my notes as correct and perhaps fill in any gaps you may see from .... this I have missed out on especially the law parts. Kind Regards Ms Flores
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--- On Mon, 6/9/10, Kapole, Pushkar <Pushkar.Kapole@hmcourts-service.gsi.gov.uk> wrote: From: Kapole, Pushkar <Pushkar.Kapole@hmcourts-service.gsi.gov.uk> Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell To: "McINTYRE Lynsey" <LynseyMcINTYRE@bdb-law.co.uk>, "'Scarlet Maguire Gallery'" <scarletmaguire@yahoo.com> Cc: "'Michael Ireland'" <mireland@enterprisechambers.com> Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 15:42
Dear All
Judge Cowell will give his Judgement on Thursday 9th
Sept 10 at 10:30 AM
Thanks
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In the meanwhile I check
out how to get the transcript and get told its £500+VAT per hour, so that is a
lot of money we don’t have now.
I contact that QC friend of
NAYPIC’s (he was the barrister who worked with Joan Leicester the first
Children’s Minister in this country) who is responsible solely for the
ratification of the UN Convention of the Rights of the Child if it wasn’t for
him it wouldn’t have happened and I’ve known him for years and he say’s “go
down there (the courts) quickly you only have 21 days to appeal and ask for
‘permission to appeal’ orally, you need permission before you can appeal. So I
do what he says and I get told to fill out a form, which is given to me. Our
grounds for appeal, ‘a one-sided judgement, no reference to our case or
submissions in Judgment as well as a one sided trial in terms of pointing to
selective evidence.
I go to the counter to hand
in the form at £120 and they say it is the wrong form I have been given. So I
go back to the other desk and meet the Judges Clerk again who has a smile on
his face that is belittlingly smug, he say’s “you need the transcripts” knowing
even with the cash that is impossible before Monday’s hearing. My words are
focused though straining to be professional as time is of the essence and I
have been run around between two buildings of Park Crescent where the Central
London County Court is to get this done before 4pm on the Friday after taking
advice urgently, I said “ it will take three weeks and cost £8,000”, he said
“well we can’t do the appeal for you without the transcripts” I said “ I
emailed you with my notes I have acted in person and that is what the
barristers do they send their notes for approval its normal not even they get a
transcript”, he said “well email me”, I said, “I did and you have not replied,
you just want me to leave and the quantum (costs) hearing go ahead on Monday,
when the ‘liability’ (which we just had) judgement is entirely dependant on it
and I want it appealed s I just need permission and because I was not told I am
asking you and have emailed.” He said, “the Judge isn’t ‘my mate’ I can’t just
ask him put it in an email and we won’t do it anyway without the transcript”. I
think this is getting really crazy and I’m going mad at how they know exactly
how they have us, its like get rid, poor landlord, I’m exhausted and I’m going
mental. I leave and left my bag, which I come back to get and a security alert
has gone out as they think it's a bomb!
I get another form which
was only for the quick thinking of the receptionist back in the payment office
as this £120 form has to be refunded, the girl who now gets this gist and says
to the other receptionist, ‘this poor girls been trying to get to appeal half
the day’ tell me what other forms I can fill out. I want all this recorded
somehow and am determined to stop the hearing. So I fill out a form at just £40
I make it a ‘request for permission’ and ‘an adjournment’ rather than put it in
an email as I remember, only too well, the disclosure saga, where our emails
don’t get answered. So this is more official, it is an application and The
Judge will have that on his desk by closing time and they have to answer these
simple questions in applications, there would be no excuse, well they’d be hard
pushed anyway. I realise when filling out the form that if I put our submission
in with the application and our notes on Judgment and my notes on the judgement
which are very damming and prove the Judge did not read our submissions, plus I
want to law gaps filled in so I have done all I can do now. I keep my fingers
crossed for Monday.
On Monday morning the Judge
admits he did not read our submissions!!!!
I believe this makes legal
history.. No?
The Judge sends us all home
and says he will read them today and come back with another Judgement which may
vary his judgement or not.. Tomorrow!
To explain this farce much
better I will attempt to show its dishonesty.
The
next day the Judge states he saw our ‘legal submissions on liability’ for the
first time, ‘attached’ to the application I had hurriedly put in on Friday for
the request for ‘permission to appeal’. The word ‘received’ is misleading, as
the submissions had been sent by email originally on the 7th Sept
two days before Judgement plus a big fuss had been made about sending them in
the lead up to the Judgment of the 9th Sept 2010 to try to gain more
time to finish the claimants submissions on liability, to the Judge and the
other side as you will see from the series of emails below. So either the Judge
had no knowledge of the lead up emails, which again would show no fairness in this
trial and judicial error as per usual or this is just a big bunch of lies that
we don’t believe. We suggest the Judge of course read our submissions its just
that we were quick enough and determined enough to catch him out that he made
the fatal error of not referring to them once in his pro-landlord Judgement.
The back-tracking and further seemly procedural role of so called ‘reading
them’ and giving ‘another Judgement’ can be clearly seen for what it is,
‘digging a further hole to cover up the first corruption’. If they are going to
all be corrupt they should do it well or not at all, the mistake was to admit
to not reading our submissions but given that we proved it what choice did he
have but to provide the elaborate EXPLANATION which I shall further address
below. For ease of reference here is the emails below sent and received to and
by Judge Cowell. Please note Ms Cracy explains that legal advice has been
minimal, that it is she that has written the document and she apologies about
the size of the document referring to its 92 pages and 245 paragraphs. Also
note that each attachment is labelled and that it is then further listed and
explained as to its contents, by Ms Cracy, making Judge Cowell's explanation
completely implausible;
CHY09015 - Claimants' final submissions on liability7th September 2010
Dear Mr Kapole
Please find attached our final written submissions together with a separate document (1.doc) that Ms Flores insisted in joining to them as it forms part of the overall argument on liability and can be treated as an appendix to the main submissions.
The other documents are:
- Joy Morgan letter from the Home Office that Ms Flores referred to in her open submissions but could not find
- diary pages that are referred to in these submissions but were not correctly displayed in the trial files
Please convey to His Honour Judge Cowell that in the end the advice we received from Counsel only amounts to a couple of paragraphs contained in these submissions. They have been entirely written by the Ms Cracy who apologises for the length of the document.
We confirm that we will serve these submissions on the Defendant solicitors by email in the next few minutes.
Yours sincerely
Jo Flores and Chantal Cracy
Please find attached our final written submissions together with a separate document (1.doc) that Ms Flores insisted in joining to them as it forms part of the overall argument on liability and can be treated as an appendix to the main submissions.
The other documents are:
- Joy Morgan letter from the Home Office that Ms Flores referred to in her open submissions but could not find
- diary pages that are referred to in these submissions but were not correctly displayed in the trial files
Please convey to His Honour Judge Cowell that in the end the advice we received from Counsel only amounts to a couple of paragraphs contained in these submissions. They have been entirely written by the Ms Cracy who apologises for the length of the document.
We confirm that we will serve these submissions on the Defendant solicitors by email in the next few minutes.
Yours sincerely
Jo Flores and Chantal Cracy
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Claimants Submissions on Liability - Final.doc
Dear Ms Flores,
I cant give any advise on this. but i can only
suggest that the Judge will be working on this case on Mon-Tue-Wed, so if the
parties need to send anything for the Judges attention it has to be by/before Tuesday.
Thanks you
6th
September 2010
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Dear Ms Flores,
I cant give any advise on this. but i can only
suggest that the Judge will be working on this case on Mon-Tue-Wed, so if the
parties need to send anything for the Judges attention it has to be by/before Tuesday.
Thanks you
-----Original Message-----
From: Scarlet Maguire Gallery [mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 02 September 2010 15:19
To: PushkarKapole
Cc: kelly@39essex.com
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
From: Scarlet Maguire Gallery [mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 02 September 2010 15:19
To: PushkarKapole
Cc: kelly@39essex.com
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
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Dear All
This Morning Judge Cowell indicated that, he will prepare the
Judgement at home and aim to deliver the judgement next week, probably either
on wed/thur or Friday.
I will inform you all as soon as the Judge will be ready.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: McINTYRE Lynsey [mailto:LynseyMcINTYRE@bdb-law.co.uk]
Sent: 02 September 2010 10:07
To: 'Scarlet Maguire Gallery'; 'Pushkar''Kapole'
Cc: 'Michael Ireland'
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
From: McINTYRE Lynsey [mailto:LynseyMcINTYRE@bdb-law.co.uk]
Sent: 02 September 2010 10:07
To: 'Scarlet Maguire Gallery'; 'Pushkar''Kapole'
Cc: 'Michael Ireland'
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
Dear Ms
Flores and Mr Kapole
We
acknowledge receipt of Ms Flores' email and voice mail message left yesterday
evening regarding the request for a further extension of time to file closing
submissions.
The
decision to grant further time is ultimately one for Judge Cowell dependent on
when he will be in a position to consider them and prepare his judgment on
liability. However, in the circumstances we would not oppose
an extension for filing the submissions by 10am next Thursday 9 September
2010. I am out of the office the following week (from close of business
on Friday 10 September) and will need time to consider the submissions with
counsel and my client before the end of the week in order to adequately prepare
for the hearing. This should give you sufficient time to obtain legal
advice as necessary to finalise your submissions.
We would
also point out that the timetable for filing submissions was agreed
between the parties and the Judge at the conclusion of the hearing in July 2010
and Ms Bhaloo explained that you did not need to wait to receive our
submissions to begin preparing your own.
Yours
sincerely
--------------------------------------------------
Lynsey McIntyre
Associate
For
and on behalf of Bircham Dyson Bell LLP
50
Broadway London SW1H 0BL
t
+44 (0)20 7783 3601
Bircham Dyson Bell
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From: Scarlet Maguire
Gallery [mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 01 September 2010 17:18
To: Pushkar''Kapole; McINTYRE Lynsey
Cc: 'Michael Ireland'
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
Sent: 01 September 2010 17:18
To: Pushkar''Kapole; McINTYRE Lynsey
Cc: 'Michael Ireland'
Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
Dear Ms McIntyre,
Many thanks for agreeing the extension. We will be applying for a further extension of another few days given the fact that HHJ Cowell is ill so cannot read the papers. Understandably we have been pushed to the wire with just 4 working days since Ms Bhaloo's legal submission on Friday 20th August 2010 falling over two weekends including a bank holiday with legal advice then being much harder to obtain due to the time constraints. I do hope we can further agree that another week will not affect the timing for all concerned but will put us in a much better position to present legal submissions. I therefore propose we could agree to Friday 10th Sept at 4pm as the deadline? Many Thanks Kind Regards Jo Flores
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--- On Wed, 1/9/10, McINTYRE Lynsey <LynseyMcINTYRE@bdb-law.co.uk> wrote: From: McINTYRE Lynsey <LynseyMcINTYRE@bdb-law.co.uk> Subject: RE: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell To: "'Kapole, Pushkar'" <Pushkar.Kapole@hmcourts-service.gsi.gov.uk> Cc: "'scarletmaguire@yahoo.com'" <scarletmaguire@yahoo.com>, "'Michael Ireland'" <mireland@enterprisechambers.com> Date: Wednesday, 1 September, 2010, 14:03
Dear Mr Kapole
We confirm on behalf of the Defendant
that we have no objection to the Claimants' proposal to file/serve their
legal submissions by 4pm tomorrow (Thursday 2 September).
Yours sincerely
--------------------------------------------------
Lynsey McIntyre
Associate
For
and on behalf of Bircham Dyson Bell LLP
50 Broadway London SW1H 0BL
t +44 (0)20 7783 3601
Bircham Dyson Bell
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From: Scarlet Maguire Gallery
[mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 01 September 2010 13:20 To: PushkarKapole Cc: Enterprise London Subject: Re: CHY09015 Hrg on 6 Sep 10 before HHJ Cowell
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The
1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th documents the Judge refers to that
he ‘did’ look at in his verbose ‘explanation’ were in the same email, why would
anyone ignore the 5th attachment in an email headed ‘Final Claimants
Submissions on Liability’. “In all” the Judge states “5 attachments were sent
to me on the 7th Sept” and claims that he “thought the last
attachment looked the same as the defendants submissions”.
Lets
look at this ‘claim’ and ‘EXPLANATION’ further and try to picture how a
judicial error of such magnitude in this already two years long and costly
case, with two highly refurbished 2800sq ft Central London businesses at stake,
to be lost within hours if the Judgement were to be the final on ‘liability’.
The damming consequences legally setting the grounds for grand theft of equity
and ruination on the then soon to be ‘highly dubious’ grounds of ‘Woodfall’ and
‘forfeiture’ kicking in for the final boot on the costs day with all things
‘tied up’, to dismiss our case of ‘theft’ and ‘trespass’ due to disrepair and
failure to remedy and/or make insurance claims as set out in the ‘contractual’
leases of 104-106-108 Cromer Street, London WC1.
The
judge copies out the defendant’s submissions page and our submissions page to
show his point. However He doesn’t show this, which is on the first page of
each, which I think one will see is remarkably different;
_____________________________________________________________________________________
SUBMISSIONS ON LIABILITY ON BEHALF OF
DEFENDANT
_____________________________________________________________________________________
SUBMISSIONS ON LIABILITY ON BEHALF OF
CLAIMANTS
Showing
what was written in point 1 and 2 as justification of his mistake of it being
identical, in the Judges ‘EXPLANATION’ he writes wrote pointing to 1 and 2
referring to the addresses of the shops as is normal for both parties to say
and by the very nature of it being the addresses they would be identical
wouldn’t they.
Further
point 3 on just page 2 of the 92 pages so not far to read if one is confused. It
says;
3.
The submissions made on behalf of D were served on the Cs prior to the filing
of their own submissions. As a consequence the Cs have endeavoured to follow a
similar order to D’s submissions. Specific reference to the submissions made on
behalf of D has been included in Cs submissions as and when seemed relevant;
when such reference is made it is referred to as “ZB/page number/paragraph
number”. At the July hearing Ms Flores (JF) was not able to challenge the
evidence presented by Ms Bhaloo (ZB) while she was giving evidence in the
witness box other than from memory; the task of finding evidence in a timely
manner was rendered more difficult due to the fact that a single copy of the
trial files were only provided to Cs a few days before trial and that the order
of the evidence disclosed by D had been changed by D’s solicitors compared to
their original order. Therefore further evidence of facts relating to specific
defects has also been included in these submissions in the form of tables and
throughout the text of the submissions itself.
Where
as the defendants point 3 is very short and say’s;
These
submissions should be read in conjunction with the skeleton argument filed on
behalf of the D prior to the trial. The matters set out in the skeleton
argument are not repeated in full here.
These
two points, one the glaringly obvious and in bold on page Claimants Submissions
on Liability vs. Defendants Submissions on Liability and two point 3. On page 2
these are so blatantly hardly identical submissions and stretches the
imagination beyond belief.
There
is also the page numbering which is different.
So
lets imagine that this was true and I apologies about labouring the point or
being seemingly disrespectful it is a sad fact that it has come to this to take
a Judge apart and not in any way our wish to do so but it is deemed necessary
to prove wrong doing that can only be described as corrupt.
If
Judge Cowell as he purports did make this mistake what ensued in terms of
timing leaves the final nail in the coffin as to this being a pack of lies.
How
did he react at the time?
1. Possibly
since he would have set aside some time on the 7th Sept 10 to read
legal argument he could have felt relief as certainly taking a look at two
photo’s two diary entries and a letter from the Home Office of the Social
Enterprises good work would have taken 5 minutes instead of the allocated time
he would have given himself being hours set aside
2. He could have
possibly felt extremely anxious for us since we had failed to put forward any
argument but said nothing to that effect in his judgement
3. Possibly he
thought we were idiots and left it at that
4. It made his
judgement easier since he had just the one document from the defendant to work
with on such a complex trial, which he had already read and the legal argument
was prepared by a QC so job done
5. He pondered
anxiously as to how he could make judgement that just involved the defendant’s
representing themselves in court and in writing and thought the claimants must
want to give away their money and property in a long winded trial where they’d
waste more of their money and time not just for the landlord this time but for
the courts and their sinecures too … yes that must be it he thought, how
generous of them, he then went away had a lovely cup of tea and copied and
pasted the defendants arguments making his work easy peasy to give judgement in
the next 24 hours! What a lovely end to a good summer’s break. One thing that
bothered him time and time again though was why the girls kept asking for an
extension (Jo went to some great lengths to ramble on and on about how more
time was needed in a very lengthy email she had sent just a few days before
begging that they needed more time to finish their submission’s which he and
the other sides solicitors had granted when those girls only served 5
attachments of two diary entries and two photo’s and a letter but he rested his
mind with the logic that perhaps one of the diary entries had been lost and
they were tearing their houses down trying to find it, hence the need for those
extensions!
The
new Judgement made no significant changes and given the length of the document
and the 359 references it was just shoddy re-hash of the previous Judgement.
Considering that the case was not heard in trial and taking into account the
numerous references given a days grace to re-hash the Judgement also seems
implausible bearing in mind that the 359 references were in 19 bundles an
impossible task just showing more corruption. At least if cleverly three to
four days were given to deliberate one could believe by now that the Judge had
read our case but it was again obvious he did not and the days grace was again
a shoddy mistake to seem like he had. The impossibility is astounding.
The
second judgement lasted no time at all. The business of forfeiture then came
before the costs hearing and both shops were taken from us. The ‘Woodfall’ law
here needs scrutinising especially in light of the recent changes to this law
because of taking property off people on these flimsy laws. The transcripts
would have served to show that even the Judge and Ms Bhaloo had trouble
assigning any part of the classic ‘Woodfall’ law used to our case to forfeiture
us since we had in fact paid the rent until January 2009 when we had been
trespassed/forfeited in Oct 2008. This difficulty for the pair of them took
some serious wrangling for them to apply the correct part of Woodfall but they
got their heads around it in the end whilst we watched this show of legal
family bumbling about trying to tidy it up. And I would or could only suspect
that they did that wrong too as they both did not seem to have a clue which
part to apply that served the purpose of robbery of the shops. It is fair to
add that both parts of the legal family would have been highly aware of the
controversy surrounding the ‘Woodfall’ law at the time.
As
you will see from above in emails Jo Flores was ill and asked for the case to
be adjourned but this too was ignored. When Ms Cracy who was forced to represent
us that day asked how long we had to take out our belongings from the shops the
Judge said the shops belonged to the defendants immediately. Therefore Jo in
the lunch hour before the defendants got their hands on our shops had to rush
to them to remove oil paintings, Haddon Stone fountains with the three graces
statue and some expensive church pews, desk, bench and other items of value
before being back by 2pm for the rest of the costs hearing.
The
cost hearing was a joke. On the 6th Sept Jo wrote to Judge Cowell re
a closing speech where her intention was to expose the forensic accountant they
had paid £8,500 to as the expert witness that in fact he was the auditor for
the other sides solicitors. We asked him not to attend and he ignored us. His
‘conflict of interest’ throws doubt over any costs issue that then ensued.
I
would now show at great length the disrepair issues which are all in our
submissions and how despite the Judgment all the areas we spoke of that were
are causes of action (well actually defence from eviction) we proved ourselves
right yet the law was used to take our case to some other place for the
defendants to win assisted by the Judge. We do not know what that law is? We
still do not have the central Judgment. Yet we have been told today 13th
Dec 11’ in response to our ‘How long must we wait?’ email that the lord of lady
Justice will (via my application for the transcripts paid for by the public
purse and means tested) get the transcripts and we won’t…
RE: How long must we wait... (B5/2010/2396 - Gavin & Anr v Commun ity Housing Association LTD)
Dear Madam,
I am
writing to you with regard to the above named case and your emails dated 2nd
and 7th December 2011.
The Court
apologises for any misunderstanding caused and the delay of chasing the
approved transcript of judgment, which is out of our hands. The situation is as
follows:-
Your appeal
bundles are complete except for the transcript of judgment of the hearing
before HHJ Cowell on 9th September 2010. This is necessary because,
on reading the transcript of judgment of HHJ Cowell dated 22nd
September 2010, it became clear that he relied on his judgment of the 9th
September 2010 and affirmed it on his judgment of 22nd September
2010. We have ordered the transcript of judgment of 9th September
2010 and are chasing the Lower Court for it. As soon as the Court has received
a copy we will send it to you directly, and then send the papers down to Court
for a decision by a Lord/Lady Justice as soon as possible. You do not
need to file an Appellant's Notice against the decision of 9th
September 2010 as the order of the 22nd September 2010 covers that.
Yours
faithfully,
Siobhan Traynor
Case Progression Manager
Civil Appeals Office
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand
London WC2A 2LL
Tel: 0207 - 947 - 6856
Fax: 0207 - 947 - 6810
Email: civilappeals.cmsb@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk
From: Scarlet Maguire Gallery
[mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 07 December 2011 09:35
To: civilappeals.cmsb@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk
Subject: Fw: How long must we wait... (B5/2010/2396 - Gavin & Anr v Commun ity Housing Association LTD)
Sent: 07 December 2011 09:35
To: civilappeals.cmsb@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk
Subject: Fw: How long must we wait... (B5/2010/2396 - Gavin & Anr v Commun ity Housing Association LTD)
Dear Siobhan,
You are not making things
very clear for me. You emailed me in response to my email of 11th Nov 2011
asking how long must I wait for a reply on permission to appeal, to say you
were having difficulties obtaining the approved transcript of Judgment that was
sent to me in order for me to apply for permission (of which approved
transcript I had waited an astonishing 9 months for). So for expedience sake I
dropped off a copy to the High Court Civil appeals office the next day which I
replied I would in response to your email of the 29th Nov 2011. In this email
you stated I would have to wait another month or SO!!
On return home I found a
further letter posted to my home address from the Civil Appeals Office (which
was a lot of activity from your office over just two days) in this letter
however the story is quite different now you are saying just a day later;
In accordance with Master
Hendy would you please supply 1 copy of the official transcript of Judgment in
the above matter at public expense to the above address by the 12th Dec 2011.
This judgment of the 9th Sept has never been approved and given to me as it
should have been.
Now what does this all mean for
me.
Does it mean that after me
being able to move on in asking for permission to appeal, then filed by me on
the 16th Sept, with a shoddy version of the second half of the Judgment
sent to me 9 months later that gave me nothing in terms of the Judgment leaving
me in the dark as to how I lost two shops and by which law that happened that
you will finally get the Judgment and I won't?
This means the Lord or Lady
Justice will take a look at my permission for appeal assisted by the transcript
and I will have no chance still after all this time to ask for permission based
on the facts of law but rather just the extraordinary circumstances of the
trial not being fair noted in my permission to appeal skeleton argument.
So please put me straight as
a matter of urgency what is the story now?
I simply don't understand.
Many transcripts were applied
for to give the full picture of what happened, where are they all?
When you have the 9th Sept
approved transcript do I too get a copy?
Do I then have the allocated
three weeks to put in permission to appeal again as should be the case with me
now able to argue the law element too?
Or am I simply to have my
permission to appeal arguments judged whilst you are the only ones holding a
copy of the central judgment?
Finally then how long will
all this take?
With Kind Regards
Ms Jo Flores
spaceshift...
in association with Scarlet Maguire
Gallery
104-108 Cromer Street
London WC1H 8BZ
UK
tel: 00 44 (0) 20 7837 6680
mob: 07916 325037
mob: 07916 325037
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Subject: RE: How long must we wait... (B5/2010/2396 - Gavin & Anr v Commun ity Housing Association LTD)
Dear Madam,
Re: Gavin & Anr v
Community Housing Association Ltd
I am writing to you with regard to the
above named case and your email dated 11th November 2011.
Please note the Court is having
difficulty obtaining the approved transcript of judgment and it is likely that
this matter will be referred to a Lord/Lady Justice in another month or so.
We apologise for the inconvenience.
Yours faithfully,
Siobhan Traynor
Case Progression Manager
Civil Appeals Office
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand
London WC2A 2LL
Tel: 0207 - 947 - 6856
Fax: 0207 - 947 - 6810
Email: civilappeals.cmsb@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk
From:
Scarlet Maguire Gallery [mailto:scarletmaguire@yahoo.com]
Sent: 11 November 2011 22:25
To: Transcripts
Subject: How long must we wait...
Sent: 11 November 2011 22:25
To: Transcripts
Subject: How long must we wait...
Dear Master Hendy,
Ref: 2110/2396 Permission to
Appeal. I filed the skeleton argument on the 16th Sept and whilst I appreciate
the courts take quite some time to respond I am curious as to how long?
With King Regards
Ms Jo Flores
spaceshift...
in association with Scarlet Maguire
Gallery
104-108 Cromer Street
London WC1H 8BZ
UK
tel: 00 44 (0) 20 7837 6680
mob: 07916 325037
mob: 07916 325037
These
emails show the latest scam that the Judges get the transcripts and we don’t!
The
permission for appeal must therefore be Judged ‘NOT’ with the ‘LAW’ part from
the central Judgment of which we have had no access to yet is paid by public
purse for by us but only by the elaborate lengths that the courts have gone to,
to ensure we don’t get a fair trial. Including today. I attach this document
completed at 5.00am on the 14th Dec 2011 as an extra skeleton
argument to the one filed in Sept 2011.
We
shall eagerly await the decision but in the event no permission is granted then
we want the required ‘certificate’ from the courts within the required time to
take this immediately to the House of Lords on the basis of an unfair trial. If
the ‘certificate’ is not produced or we experience delays then we will take the
case to the European Court (where they at least provide lawyers for claimants)
and the claim will be substantially more due to all this messing about causing
great poverty, humiliation, removal of status of two ordinary people doing a
good job for a great albeit dangerous cause of the rights of young people’s
movement.
Ms Jo Flores for and on behalf of both claimants.
http://36ohk6dgmcd1n-c.c.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/36ohk6dgmcd1n/9/1.0.35/uk/en-GB/view.html
TO: 1 recipient
5.55am 14th December 2011.
Please see attached and ensure it is given to the Lord or Lady
Justice.
I will bring hard copy
Jo Flores
spaceshift...
in
association with Scarlet Maguire Gallery
104-108
Cromer Street
London
WC1H 8BZ
UK
tel: 00
44 (0) 20 7837 6680
mob: 07916 325037
mob: 07916 325037
Attachment.
Additional Updated Permission to Appeal Doc added because of more
corruption.doc
End of Skeleton Argument II
For reference to the costs hearing here are the notes taken by Jo Flores as she was too ill to represent us and the court ignored a request to postpone: To Skip to it please ignore notes on the second judgment which are in the same doc the first few paragraphs. Then it says COSTS HEARING..
COSTS HEARING...
Ms Bhaloo I suppose the next matter should be mean profits.. .. ....
MS Bhaloo: Well your honour we should deal with forfeiture now so your honour knows what the... so your honour doesn’t readily have concerns about knowledge and error but I’d hate your honour to do that without actually realising (can’t read notes)
End of Skeleton Argument II
For reference to the costs hearing here are the notes taken by Jo Flores as she was too ill to represent us and the court ignored a request to postpone: To Skip to it please ignore notes on the second judgment which are in the same doc the first few paragraphs. Then it says COSTS HEARING..
What the Judge said:
On Monday Morning at the start of the hearing 20th Sept 2010 I read out a statement explaining that 3 documents that I d received from the claimants before I gave Judgment on the 9th Sept 2010 had been treated by me as the claimants final submissions on liability. Those documents did not include a lengthy document containing 245 paragraphs which were the claimants final submissions which I saw for the first time during the weekend of the 18th & 19th Sept attached to the claimants application dated the 16th Sept 2010 which was for permission to appeal which application I have not yet dealt with. In all five attachments were sent to me at home at my address on the 7th Sept by my clerk. One consisted of two diary entries which I received another consisted of photographs, two further documents were the two attachments I refer to on the 20th of Sept and the fifth and last attachment was the claimants submissions. I can only assume that when I opened the last attachments which was the claimants submissions I thought it was a copy of the defendants submissions that is because the first page of them both have almost identical paragraphs 1's sub titles a and b on the first page and almost are identical as can be seen simply by looking at the first page of each. I realised on 20th of Sept that I’d inform the clerk of what had happened and I decided that the proper course was to attend to the claimants final submissions on Tuesday the 21st of Sept and consider and if so to what extent I should alter any part of my judgment on the 9th Sept and what further matters might call for consideration as mentioned and then that I should finally give this Judgment on Wed 22nd Which I now do.
So my observations will begin by referring to paragraph numbers of the claimant’s submissions at
Paragraph 7. I mentioned in my judgment Ms Jaqui Greene's concern that matters were attended to and I noticed the contrasting in approaches of Ms Jaqui Greene and Mr UK as he's called.
Paragraph 8. The document that B2 tab (2) 145 does not in my Judgment to relate to any issue that I had to clarify.
Paragraph 9-11. I am aware I'm well aware that when giving evidence witnesses are not there simply to undergo a memory test and with any lapse of memory its no an indication of a deceitful testimony. I relied at the various parts of my Judgment on written accounts and events made much closer to if not contemporaries to the events at the time.
The article at C2 Tab 14 and the plan at C. 99-100 A1 did not go to anything I had decided. I did indeed comment on the witness statements by thee defendants in my Judgement on the 9th Sept and I need add nothing to what I said there.
Paragraphs 12-25. Although I use the lease of 106 to 8 as containing the relevant terms its true that I do not refer to any of the differences between that and thee lease of number 104 the point raised by the claimants in paragraph 17 of the submissions.
In paragraph 18 the claimants set out in clause 2 sub clauses 4 page A3 12 of the lease of 104 and in paragraph 19 the claimants set out in clause 2 sub clauses 1-4 bundle A3 46 of the lease of 106 to 8 in the latter sub clause 2 appears to be a nonsense mistakenly left in or mistakenly left in sub-clause 2 instead of in the clause 4. Clauses 5 sub clause 6 of the lease of 104 A3 35 differs from clause 5 sub clause ......? differs of the lease of 106 to 8 A3 68 in the manner set out in paragraphs 121 of the claimant’s submissions. Two matters are raised which were not mentioned in my Judgment of the 9th Sept and which I must deal with. First a reference to a ........... In both leases in clause 2 sub clause 3 ..........and that is the right to shelter and support and protection from the elements on the demised premises and Simi alary the mention in clause 5 sub-clause 26 of the lease of 104 of the tenants obligation and I quote 'to pay a fair proportion of the costs incurred (or intending to be incurred?) by the landlord in respect of the lighting ...... and maintenance of the fire areas. In my Judgment clause 2 (3) ....... ..... ......... .. by the defendant .... ..... in accordance with the general law as set out in the .... ..... Guild 1985 a case that features heavily in my Judgment of the 9th Sept and as explained by Lord Millet in (Southwark) and Mills and I also mention in that Judgment it is the tenant grantee right to air these ...... not landlords grantors obligation. The landlord as I understand it must not do any positive act that interferes with and with doing the things that provided support and shelter and protection of the elements that is as far as that rights goes there is not in my Judgment to be implied that in Clause 5 sub-clause 26 any term that the fire escape area should have any particular quality. So that deals with those two points raised in the claimant’s submissions.
Paragraphs 56-62 I have looked again at Mr Hines report D1 301 to 5, he was doing what he could on the claimants behalf just as he was in April 2006 D2 393 after the insurance payment of January 2006 which I mentioned in my Judgment on the 9th Sept. The fact that insurers took the view that the defendant was at fault B2 407 does not mean in my Judgment that the defendant was in breach of a duty to the claimants nor does it follow that the defendant was in breach of a duty to advance an insurance claim on the claimants behalf I read the letter of the 3rd July 2006 B2 489-90 as a request by the claimants for compensation from the defendant it is and I quote the insurances response which is described as extremely slow and unhelpful that in the evidence the defendant was not asked to do anything about that. I mentioned near the end of my Judgment on the 9th Sept the series of letters mentioned by the claimants in their letter to me of the 25th July 2010 two of which are referred to again in paragraph 29 any others also featured in paragraphs 46 and 48 and those letters of C1 81 was also referred to. It still seems as to me that no blame can be attached to the defendant for the failure on the claimant’s part to persuade the insurers to pay them. The claimants by their loss adjuster were in direct communication with the insurers and the defendant did nothing to prevent or hinder it. The loss adjuster main experience after was a lack of information from time to time from employees of the defendant B3 36? 45 but that is a far cry from the defendant being in breach of duty and even if it were such lack of information did not result in the refusal of the insurers to pay the claimants what they were asking for. I have looked at the ..... in D3 68 96 72 69 96 and 7n again the fact that the insurers took the view the defendant was not covered even on the basis that the defendant ought to have deal with it 6 weeks earlier so were not covered by the terms of the policy brought me to the conclusion that the defendant acted in breach of duty to the claimant. The defendant’s duty was in my judgment as the neighbouring occupier as I explained in my Judgment of the 9th Sept by reference to Guilds case.
I now turn to the particular matters of the claimant.
First the waste stack pipe next to 104. In my Judgment of the 9th Sept I assumed that the leak was reported in Sept 2004 to Jaqui Greene and I fully appreciated the fact that it took six months to remedy. The documents referred to by the claimants do not in themselves answer the question when did the defendant and its agents come to know or when ought the defendant have come to know the actual cause of the leak which meant that thee defendant had then to repair it promptly as in Guilds case. That is the question I answered in the Judgment of the 9th Sept well aware of the discrepancy between Mr UK's written statement and his oral evidence. It was no part of my task to consider the cause of the leak and I did not and do not find that it was either of the claimants accidentally putting a nail into the pipe. My task was to decide when the source of the leak was first known or ought to have been first known to the defendant. The claimants were in my Judgment in no way blamed for the leak as the clearly hinted at in the defendants submissions.
The waste stack pipe in number 106-8 I mentioned in my Judgment of the 9th Sept the diary entries in this case I decided on all the evidence particularly the oral evidence and bearing in mind the imperfections in Mr Uk's case evidence that we ought to know the source of the leak earlier than he did so that was effectively a finding of negligence. It was the defendant to a considerable degree upon the claimants own account which I accepted given by her on the 2nd Feb 2006 C1 Page 337.
The next .... .... was the scene of 104 and the floor damage. I was aware long before the claimants ...... ........ that there was difference as to whether the flood occurred according to what Mr UK was told by the social worker or carer of an occupant of a flat 2. It is important to appreciate Mr Uk was recounting what he was told which in fact he believes is true. The claimants insisted the flood came from flat 3 and believed that see paragraph 106 of their submission that Mr Uk was hiding the truth in an attempt to avoid the defendant having liability for the poor state of repair and maintenance of the flat above and so the claimants allege see paragraphs 108 that the cistern overflowed in flat 3 and that the poor state of repair was the real cause as they contend C1 296. There was in my judgment no evidence that the flood was anything other than an accident of some kind whether flat 2 or flat 3and there was no evidence that the defendant was by any of its employees or in any other way responsible for causing the flood nor that has been referred to any lack of repair for which the defendant was responsible even assume the claimants account in C1 296 to be correct and Mr UKs to be incorrect.
The claimant’s paragraphs 109 to 128 set out the .... .... of the claimants but because the flood was stopped promptly that means contrary to paragraph 126 the law as set out in Guilds case applies and the .... do not in my judgment confer any cause of action on the claimants and in relation to insurance I do not intend to repeat what I said about.
The pavement lights I was referred to C1 111 the statement of Adam the carpenter who begins his statement by pointing out the claimants who are in a dispute with the landlord as to who should fix the ceiling. I considered in my Judgment 9th Sept that Ms Jaqui Greene's attitude as in D1 125 was often referred to by Ms Bhaloo in her final submission was a very sensible one or other wise the defendant would run the risk to ... from the tenant. I accepted the pavement lights were not demised as said correctly by the claimants in paragraph 130 I still adhere to the conclusion expressed in my Judgment of the 9th Sept and .... about my view about clause 2 (3) of the leases I should add that the covenant for quiet enjoyment and the .... derogation from grant does not afford a remedy; the defendant has done no positive act for? quiet enjoyment or for making the premises substantially less fit for the purposes for which they were demised and that observation also applies to an issue about the fire escape.
The electricity cupboard leaked the crucial point I made in my Judgment of the 9th Sept that it was never said the same that the defendant was ever in breach of a duty as in Guilds case because at no time did it know or had the means of knowing where the leak came from so it can't be said to have failed ..... The references of documents given by the claimants do not assist in the discovery of where it was from, the defendant as opposed to Thames Water knew where the leaks came from and the claimant’s submissions paragraphs 150 to 172 read ... what I said on the 9th Sept.
The fire escape and the fix the lighting. the claimants inform me in paragraph in 173 how it came about that the service charge provision was omitted from the lease of 106-8 to which I mentioned the omission in my Judgment 9th Sept and they have helped me provided there explanation for that or other wise I have nothing to add to what I said in my Judgment 9th Sept and to what I have said above about the significance of 5 sub-clause 26 of the lease of 104.
The ventilation and airbricks and there absence from numbers 106-8. The claimants give a very full history for this matter as they see it in paragraphs 197-229 of their submissions. I do not accept the .... of many of the matters of primary fact for which they refer that the defendant was guilty of misrepresentation as suggested in paragraph 219 or that the defendant ... ... was in breach of duty and of negligence and so my reason in my judgment of the 9th Sept remains the same.
Finally in paragraph 230-237 the claimants argue that the defendant where under an implied obligation to repair the structure that is all the building other than the parts of it that are demised. I mentioned in my judgment of the 9th Sept Barrett and lounova 1989. . 1 and ... ... about correlative obligations. Thereby anticipating this argument the affect of which I accept as far as it is consistent with the law contained in Barrett and lounova but it seems to me that none of the complaints made by the claimant involve asking the defendant to repair the structure without which repair the claimants ... repair the demised premises are futile and certainly not complaining about want to repair by the claimants the demised premises so that one issue in relation to the leaking pipes the leaks were identified had to be repaired and have been repaired and the extent of liability is as in Guilds case essentially that of a neighbouring occupier such leaks require special measures. The pavement lights have been repaired and are more simply to repair and have been repaired and this is not therefore a case of the claimants seeking to require the defendant to repair the structure. Lastly in relation to 238-245 I need only say that I took into account on the 20? 7?th Sept all the appropriate submissions of both parties in a separate Judgment given on the 20th Sept in a ... in relation to mean profits the defendants asked me to accept.
On Monday Morning at the start of the hearing 20th Sept 2010 I read out a statement explaining that 3 documents that I d received from the claimants before I gave Judgment on the 9th Sept 2010 had been treated by me as the claimants final submissions on liability. Those documents did not include a lengthy document containing 245 paragraphs which were the claimants final submissions which I saw for the first time during the weekend of the 18th & 19th Sept attached to the claimants application dated the 16th Sept 2010 which was for permission to appeal which application I have not yet dealt with. In all five attachments were sent to me at home at my address on the 7th Sept by my clerk. One consisted of two diary entries which I received another consisted of photographs, two further documents were the two attachments I refer to on the 20th of Sept and the fifth and last attachment was the claimants submissions. I can only assume that when I opened the last attachments which was the claimants submissions I thought it was a copy of the defendants submissions that is because the first page of them both have almost identical paragraphs 1's sub titles a and b on the first page and almost are identical as can be seen simply by looking at the first page of each. I realised on 20th of Sept that I’d inform the clerk of what had happened and I decided that the proper course was to attend to the claimants final submissions on Tuesday the 21st of Sept and consider and if so to what extent I should alter any part of my judgment on the 9th Sept and what further matters might call for consideration as mentioned and then that I should finally give this Judgment on Wed 22nd Which I now do.
So my observations will begin by referring to paragraph numbers of the claimant’s submissions at
Paragraph 7. I mentioned in my judgment Ms Jaqui Greene's concern that matters were attended to and I noticed the contrasting in approaches of Ms Jaqui Greene and Mr UK as he's called.
Paragraph 8. The document that B2 tab (2) 145 does not in my Judgment to relate to any issue that I had to clarify.
Paragraph 9-11. I am aware I'm well aware that when giving evidence witnesses are not there simply to undergo a memory test and with any lapse of memory its no an indication of a deceitful testimony. I relied at the various parts of my Judgment on written accounts and events made much closer to if not contemporaries to the events at the time.
The article at C2 Tab 14 and the plan at C. 99-100 A1 did not go to anything I had decided. I did indeed comment on the witness statements by thee defendants in my Judgement on the 9th Sept and I need add nothing to what I said there.
Paragraphs 12-25. Although I use the lease of 106 to 8 as containing the relevant terms its true that I do not refer to any of the differences between that and thee lease of number 104 the point raised by the claimants in paragraph 17 of the submissions.
In paragraph 18 the claimants set out in clause 2 sub clauses 4 page A3 12 of the lease of 104 and in paragraph 19 the claimants set out in clause 2 sub clauses 1-4 bundle A3 46 of the lease of 106 to 8 in the latter sub clause 2 appears to be a nonsense mistakenly left in or mistakenly left in sub-clause 2 instead of in the clause 4. Clauses 5 sub clause 6 of the lease of 104 A3 35 differs from clause 5 sub clause ......? differs of the lease of 106 to 8 A3 68 in the manner set out in paragraphs 121 of the claimant’s submissions. Two matters are raised which were not mentioned in my Judgment of the 9th Sept and which I must deal with. First a reference to a ........... In both leases in clause 2 sub clause 3 ..........and that is the right to shelter and support and protection from the elements on the demised premises and Simi alary the mention in clause 5 sub-clause 26 of the lease of 104 of the tenants obligation and I quote 'to pay a fair proportion of the costs incurred (or intending to be incurred?) by the landlord in respect of the lighting ...... and maintenance of the fire areas. In my Judgment clause 2 (3) ....... ..... ......... .. by the defendant .... ..... in accordance with the general law as set out in the .... ..... Guild 1985 a case that features heavily in my Judgment of the 9th Sept and as explained by Lord Millet in (Southwark) and Mills and I also mention in that Judgment it is the tenant grantee right to air these ...... not landlords grantors obligation. The landlord as I understand it must not do any positive act that interferes with and with doing the things that provided support and shelter and protection of the elements that is as far as that rights goes there is not in my Judgment to be implied that in Clause 5 sub-clause 26 any term that the fire escape area should have any particular quality. So that deals with those two points raised in the claimant’s submissions.
Paragraphs 56-62 I have looked again at Mr Hines report D1 301 to 5, he was doing what he could on the claimants behalf just as he was in April 2006 D2 393 after the insurance payment of January 2006 which I mentioned in my Judgment on the 9th Sept. The fact that insurers took the view that the defendant was at fault B2 407 does not mean in my Judgment that the defendant was in breach of a duty to the claimants nor does it follow that the defendant was in breach of a duty to advance an insurance claim on the claimants behalf I read the letter of the 3rd July 2006 B2 489-90 as a request by the claimants for compensation from the defendant it is and I quote the insurances response which is described as extremely slow and unhelpful that in the evidence the defendant was not asked to do anything about that. I mentioned near the end of my Judgment on the 9th Sept the series of letters mentioned by the claimants in their letter to me of the 25th July 2010 two of which are referred to again in paragraph 29 any others also featured in paragraphs 46 and 48 and those letters of C1 81 was also referred to. It still seems as to me that no blame can be attached to the defendant for the failure on the claimant’s part to persuade the insurers to pay them. The claimants by their loss adjuster were in direct communication with the insurers and the defendant did nothing to prevent or hinder it. The loss adjuster main experience after was a lack of information from time to time from employees of the defendant B3 36? 45 but that is a far cry from the defendant being in breach of duty and even if it were such lack of information did not result in the refusal of the insurers to pay the claimants what they were asking for. I have looked at the ..... in D3 68 96 72 69 96 and 7n again the fact that the insurers took the view the defendant was not covered even on the basis that the defendant ought to have deal with it 6 weeks earlier so were not covered by the terms of the policy brought me to the conclusion that the defendant acted in breach of duty to the claimant. The defendant’s duty was in my judgment as the neighbouring occupier as I explained in my Judgment of the 9th Sept by reference to Guilds case.
I now turn to the particular matters of the claimant.
First the waste stack pipe next to 104. In my Judgment of the 9th Sept I assumed that the leak was reported in Sept 2004 to Jaqui Greene and I fully appreciated the fact that it took six months to remedy. The documents referred to by the claimants do not in themselves answer the question when did the defendant and its agents come to know or when ought the defendant have come to know the actual cause of the leak which meant that thee defendant had then to repair it promptly as in Guilds case. That is the question I answered in the Judgment of the 9th Sept well aware of the discrepancy between Mr UK's written statement and his oral evidence. It was no part of my task to consider the cause of the leak and I did not and do not find that it was either of the claimants accidentally putting a nail into the pipe. My task was to decide when the source of the leak was first known or ought to have been first known to the defendant. The claimants were in my Judgment in no way blamed for the leak as the clearly hinted at in the defendants submissions.
The waste stack pipe in number 106-8 I mentioned in my Judgment of the 9th Sept the diary entries in this case I decided on all the evidence particularly the oral evidence and bearing in mind the imperfections in Mr Uk's case evidence that we ought to know the source of the leak earlier than he did so that was effectively a finding of negligence. It was the defendant to a considerable degree upon the claimants own account which I accepted given by her on the 2nd Feb 2006 C1 Page 337.
The next .... .... was the scene of 104 and the floor damage. I was aware long before the claimants ...... ........ that there was difference as to whether the flood occurred according to what Mr UK was told by the social worker or carer of an occupant of a flat 2. It is important to appreciate Mr Uk was recounting what he was told which in fact he believes is true. The claimants insisted the flood came from flat 3 and believed that see paragraph 106 of their submission that Mr Uk was hiding the truth in an attempt to avoid the defendant having liability for the poor state of repair and maintenance of the flat above and so the claimants allege see paragraphs 108 that the cistern overflowed in flat 3 and that the poor state of repair was the real cause as they contend C1 296. There was in my judgment no evidence that the flood was anything other than an accident of some kind whether flat 2 or flat 3and there was no evidence that the defendant was by any of its employees or in any other way responsible for causing the flood nor that has been referred to any lack of repair for which the defendant was responsible even assume the claimants account in C1 296 to be correct and Mr UKs to be incorrect.
The claimant’s paragraphs 109 to 128 set out the .... .... of the claimants but because the flood was stopped promptly that means contrary to paragraph 126 the law as set out in Guilds case applies and the .... do not in my judgment confer any cause of action on the claimants and in relation to insurance I do not intend to repeat what I said about.
The pavement lights I was referred to C1 111 the statement of Adam the carpenter who begins his statement by pointing out the claimants who are in a dispute with the landlord as to who should fix the ceiling. I considered in my Judgment 9th Sept that Ms Jaqui Greene's attitude as in D1 125 was often referred to by Ms Bhaloo in her final submission was a very sensible one or other wise the defendant would run the risk to ... from the tenant. I accepted the pavement lights were not demised as said correctly by the claimants in paragraph 130 I still adhere to the conclusion expressed in my Judgment of the 9th Sept and .... about my view about clause 2 (3) of the leases I should add that the covenant for quiet enjoyment and the .... derogation from grant does not afford a remedy; the defendant has done no positive act for? quiet enjoyment or for making the premises substantially less fit for the purposes for which they were demised and that observation also applies to an issue about the fire escape.
The electricity cupboard leaked the crucial point I made in my Judgment of the 9th Sept that it was never said the same that the defendant was ever in breach of a duty as in Guilds case because at no time did it know or had the means of knowing where the leak came from so it can't be said to have failed ..... The references of documents given by the claimants do not assist in the discovery of where it was from, the defendant as opposed to Thames Water knew where the leaks came from and the claimant’s submissions paragraphs 150 to 172 read ... what I said on the 9th Sept.
The fire escape and the fix the lighting. the claimants inform me in paragraph in 173 how it came about that the service charge provision was omitted from the lease of 106-8 to which I mentioned the omission in my Judgment 9th Sept and they have helped me provided there explanation for that or other wise I have nothing to add to what I said in my Judgment 9th Sept and to what I have said above about the significance of 5 sub-clause 26 of the lease of 104.
The ventilation and airbricks and there absence from numbers 106-8. The claimants give a very full history for this matter as they see it in paragraphs 197-229 of their submissions. I do not accept the .... of many of the matters of primary fact for which they refer that the defendant was guilty of misrepresentation as suggested in paragraph 219 or that the defendant ... ... was in breach of duty and of negligence and so my reason in my judgment of the 9th Sept remains the same.
Finally in paragraph 230-237 the claimants argue that the defendant where under an implied obligation to repair the structure that is all the building other than the parts of it that are demised. I mentioned in my judgment of the 9th Sept Barrett and lounova 1989. . 1 and ... ... about correlative obligations. Thereby anticipating this argument the affect of which I accept as far as it is consistent with the law contained in Barrett and lounova but it seems to me that none of the complaints made by the claimant involve asking the defendant to repair the structure without which repair the claimants ... repair the demised premises are futile and certainly not complaining about want to repair by the claimants the demised premises so that one issue in relation to the leaking pipes the leaks were identified had to be repaired and have been repaired and the extent of liability is as in Guilds case essentially that of a neighbouring occupier such leaks require special measures. The pavement lights have been repaired and are more simply to repair and have been repaired and this is not therefore a case of the claimants seeking to require the defendant to repair the structure. Lastly in relation to 238-245 I need only say that I took into account on the 20? 7?th Sept all the appropriate submissions of both parties in a separate Judgment given on the 20th Sept in a ... in relation to mean profits the defendants asked me to accept.
COSTS HEARING...
Ms Bhaloo I suppose the next matter should be mean profits.. .. ....
MS Bhaloo: Well your honour we should deal with forfeiture now so your honour knows what the... so your honour doesn’t readily have concerns about knowledge and error but I’d hate your honour to do that without actually realising (can’t read notes)
HHJ Cowell: Yes can I just see what Ms Cracy has to say?
Ms Bhaloo Yes
Ms Cracy: I ‘d
like to ask for permission to appeal and I understand that that is something
that has to be done straight away?
HHJ Cowell: Yes normally one asks on what particular grounds
which area of the Judgment if not all the areas you say you stand a chance on
succeeding on
Ms Cracy: The area well its difficult because you went very
quickly and our notes are not written
HHJ Cowell: Yes
Ms Cracy: but it would be based on the fact that you only
seemed to have used one law and it couldn’t be applicable to all the incidences
in question
And also I understand that we found out that for the
procedure that you can give us permission and it seems that there are different
possibilities that you give us permission in which case then none of what the…
(interrupted)
HHJ Cowell: Yes Yes if I refuse permission you can go to the
high court and.. (interrupted)
Ms Cracy: but which Judge?
HHJ Cowell: The appellant Judge!
Ms Cracy: We also need to ask for a stay in this trial
pending appeal
HHJ Cowell: Yes
Ms Cracy: Because everything stems from the liability aspect
HHJ Cowell: Yes well
(long silence)
Ms Cracy: and also only recently found out and correct me if
I’m wrong but that because we are representing ourselves that we can ask the
defendant counsel for the notes on the judgement
HHJ Cowell: Well what rather than
anybody throwing notes your in a position to order transcripts of my Judgment
and then because you.. the court would approve and then its made available to
both parties and what I sometimes do if I receive them is I say that your time
for the client to be ahead of time for permission to appeal can be extended
until the particular time after the approved transcripts is received on the
basis that you have to decide whether
you want to apply for permission to appeal within say three weeks and
you must make an application for the transcripts within the three weeks
Ms Cracy: And that?..
(interrupted)
HHJ Cowell: and that takes some
time doesn’t it?
But it means that you have to do
your part of it within a limited time but it means so you have a period to
decide and then if you do decide whether you want to get permission you must
make an application for the transcripts say from the as it would be the
transcripts of the 9th Sept and also today (long pause) I suppose
the point of law is whether I’m right and find the test in Guild or whether
there is a greater liability in the on the defendant only
Ms Cracy:” and the landlord having..
(interrupted)
HHJ Cowell: Well well well the
landlord and a greater liability on the (pause) generally we’re not encouraged
to give permission to appeal but what I’m inclined to do is either of you, you
can take it further and something Ms Bhaloo says it seems to me I should adopt
the.. what I just said that we would have until 3 weeks from today in which to
decide whether to order the transcript and if you do order the transcript any
more time for me in that case in the court of appeal will run from say three
weeks from this time you contact us
Ms Bhaloo: Please your honour my
attitude to that will depend on pressure on the stay
HHJ Cowell: Yes I haven’t come to
the stay
Ms Bhaloo: So you see your honour
I can’t .. if there is no stay then to a certain extent that the time frames
although of course there should be finality and the financial side and the same
approval with the transcripts 3 weeks to decide then our attitude to that might
be well.. (interrupted)
HHJ Cowell: Perhaps I better deal
with umm can I come back to the stay later on as Ill be in a better position to
see what the full ramifications of my decisions will amount to when I’ve gone
into the opinions
Ms Cracy: Can I just ask one more
question?
HHJ Cowell: Yes do ask
Ms Cracy: If there is …although
you have refused permission to appeal do we have to get permission with the
right to appeal but if there is no stay as of today on the remain of the trial
then… (interrupted)
HHJ Cowell: Well can I come to the
stay later on because I want to see what the financial implications are
Ms Cracy: Ok
HHJ Cowell: Because I’ll know as I
understand it there’s been peaceable re-entry by forfeiture and you are
entitled to get the lease back on payment of arrears then ..
Ms Bhaloo: errr
HHJ Cowell: Not under section a
hundred and.. (interrupted)
Ms Bhaloo: 139 is (7 or 11) months
after re-entry and the re-entry was in Oct 2008 your honour they? … …. ? Want
the place they claim? 30 grand?? (Can’t read notes)
HHJ Cowell: I'll have a look at
that
Ms Bhaloo: Your honour I ‘m sorry
to interrupt
HHJ Cowell: Just a moment Ms Cracy
can I, I’ll come back to the stay make sure you mention it again but I want to
see what the consequences are working out what my judgment against you says
Ms Cracy: Its just I m seriously worried that the
consequences will be that the that we appeal will end up in that…
HHJ Cowell: I follow that but ..
(interrupted)
Ms Cracy: Meanwhile….
HHJ : Yes we’ll come back to it
later I promise I’ll come back to it later
Ms Cracy: Thank you
HHJ: Ms Bhaloo
Ms Bhaloo: We can discuss mean
profits according to the Judgment that your honour gave, umm your honour has
the evidence in relation to the amounts that the we would go for with
forfeiture
HHJ Cowell: Well were are the
amounts
Z.. Your honour if I just while
I’m here I’ll hand those up
C.. Oh yes I see now
Z.. if I just
C.. yes yes
Z.. If I just take your honour
through the various things so start starting with as your honour knows the
client forfeited on the 29th Oct 2008
C..And what was the arrears at the
time?
Z..Your honour if I'll take you
through the exhibits
C..I wonder if it’s not time to
take a cup of coffee there is something in D1 oh one of them..
Z..your honour if if...
C.. Its in the bundle statement ohh
yes 85 -92??
Z.. Your honour that's the second
one the first one is before that if you can see
C.. Oh yes yes..
Z.. Your honour I’m sorry I know
your not I see you’re not but your honour Tab 16 page 77
C.. B1? 77 have you got a copy
Z.. Yes your honour
Z.. Do you want the two of them
C.. No no no I’m fine
Z.. If you’re sure
C.. Yes yes
Z (blab can’t read notes)
C (can’t read notes)
Ms Bhaloo If you look at the
statement, which Monique Jamera confirms, and accept that as your honour sees..
(interrupted)
C.. Yes
(Ms Zia Bhaloo as ‘Z’)
Z… that there were in July that
the applicant fell behind with their rent she sent out notice of arrears I’ll
take your honour through these
C.. Yes yes I see
Z.. On the 14th August
and in response the applicant sought legal advice (on the 24th
august 2008) which we may have looked at in the July trial and that stated the
applicants had a different plan and that they would write further within the
next few days and then the September quarter wasn’t paid in relation to both
and so further arrears sorry and so further notices were sent out and again
your honour I can take your honour to those notices so 2625 in relation to 104
and 3500 in respect of 106 and those said that if rent arrears were not paid
then bailiffs were instructed to re-enter and your honour in fact I will remind
your honour of the covenant of not paying rent which your honour has set out in
various and.. (interrupted)
C.. Yes, yes
Z.. and it's a covenant to pay by
standing order by equal quarterly payments in advance on the usual day without
deduction and then that clause 1 and I’ll be quick time wise clause 6.1 relates
to re-entry and we are entitled to re-enter if the whole or any part of the
rent is unpaid for 21 days. You see some rent had become due in July and some
of it was paid and some of it wasn’t
C.. So what was the arrears in
July?
Z.. Your honour
C… Perhaps it doesn’t matter
Z… I’m not sure it does matter
Z… because if you read here the
statement … I've got here your honour has it really from I can show you I B2
tab 8’ there’s two lots of numbering
C.. 420
Z .. Yes
C… Yes
Z . and so your honour that's the
order so your following the the the June report ....... 104 arrears amounts to
1 thousand 450 your honour see that part
C.. Yes yes
Z.. and... then the next page
C.. Same for the other
Z.. Yes yes umm and then if one
goes on your honour will see the letter from Steeles 27th August
C.. Yes
Z.. and then your honour the 20th
Oct letters page 65 and 17 so on 104 2625 and on 106 3548.
C yes
Z.. so if the court will look at
the 29th Sept
C.. Yes
Z.. That letter is warning there,
there is only 21 days thereafter and then we re-enter on the 29th.
C.. Yes
Z.. Your honour there is also if I
may while we are here can I show you another letter that came just prior to
re-entry
C.. Yes
Z..Tab 9 page 37 your honour this
is the letter that came
C.. Tab 9
Z.. 469
C.. 469
Z.. that's dated the 24th
Oct 2008 it is a letter with which
we were told in oral evidence was drafted by Steeles but then the claimants
sacked Steeles and sent the letter and your honour we can’t really read all of
it but on page 70 paragraphs 6,7,8, and 9 the claimants were saying look we
shouldn’t be paying any rent and you cancel any further demands
C.. hmm
Z.. Look your honour look not
withstanding the fact the claimants say that they did in fact they did send the
cheque the previous day the 23rd of Oct your honour that cheque
didn’t reach us and was never planned ever and assuming it was sent your honour
which I don’t think the landlord but it was stopped according to the claimants
evidence on the 29th when they realised that re-entry had taken place
C.. Oh I see
Z… Yes
C.. The cheque was stopped at 471
B2 471
Z.. Your honour I should make it
clear that if it were issued but I think indeed (can’t read notes) that it is
completely inconsistent with the letter so it wasn’t that it was stopped and
the re-entry took place on the 29th
C.. You mean that your client
never went to the bank and paid it in
Z.. No it was never received
C.. It was never received yes
Z it was never that we went to the
bank we just never received it
C.. Yes yes I see it was never
received so you assume it was stolen
Z.. No we were told by the
claimants that they paid it because of the re-entry we think that that's made
up (can’t read notes)
C.. The only thing that matters to
me whether its in dispute that that was not paid
Z.. your honour if the claimant
had had the payment stopped and then an on-line transfer was made we have that
we have that too
C.. What, what is that?
Z.. Sorry
C.. How much was that?
Z.. All the amounts that were in
arrears after forfeiture had taken place
C.. Oh I see and is there a
reference to
Z.. Yes.. Well that’s on the next
page 432 your honour has the (interrupted)
C.. Fine..
Z..Your honour do you want to have
a
C.. Oh this is the umm Ms Cracy’s
statement
Z.. Yeah and then the
C.. I see Paid out £2,500
Z.. and the
C.. Oh two six two five
Z.. For both July arrears and the
Oct oh sorry the Sept quarter date
C.. And that relates to both
properties
Z.. Yeah
C.. So apart from the point about
forfeiture that brings the rent up to date
Z.. At that point yeah after that
quarter.. And then your honour
C.. That's all that you had said
that was in arrears
Z.. Yes….. And then your honour
C.. It was one two I see the July
it seems for some reason it was the same figure
Z.. It had been part there had
been part payment
C.. Oh I see so that was £2,500 in
July
Z.. Yeah
C.. and
Z.. well err yeah
C.. and then .. well the figures that were
transferred were the figures in the Oct letters
Z.. Sorry your honour were on
C..Not to the July
Z.. Yes your honours right there
the July (family?.. can’t read word) yes
Ms Cracy: They’re the figures
Long Pause
Z: Your honour there...
C: yes
Long pause
Z.. I’m sorry there’s I’m sorry
Long Pause
Z.. Your honour having seen these
files of the debt that was outstanding at the date of forfeiture was paid on
Fridays cancelled
C.. (a lot of umming but can’t
read notes)
Z.. Say say
C.. The July the July payment had
been paid
Z.. Some of that was paid
C.. But you say that by the 21st
Oct everything then outstanding was paid
Z.. Yep but
C..Then the July was paid
Z.. Yep but the at that point
Long pause
Z..Yes your honour how can I
explain this fine if your honour looks at page 5 tab 8 then the whole confusion
I’ve caused in the later figures I’ve showed you in Oct
C.. Ahhh
Z.. I think that's why I’ve caused
confusion but page 49 does your honour have that
C.. Yes...
Z.. So that's in relation to 104
your honour the three quarterly rent in advance for the dependable date at the
top
C.. Quarterly rent in advance
yes....
Z.. On the 29th
September your honour that's when the dependant quarter will be made unpaid and
then if you look below on the 22nd Sept the balance brought forward
that would be balance from July that had not been paid
C.. Oh yes
Z.. and that makes a total of two
six two five
C: Ahhh
Z.. that wasn’t paid and then we
have the same calculation that wasn’t paid
C.. I see
Z.. to 106 we have the dependant
quarter and then brought forward the June balance not paid which makes a total
of three thousand five hundred
C.. I see
Z.. So they the balance of..
(interrupted)
C.. Oh so that between 20th
Oct letters are referring to the two of them
Z.. Yeah yeah
C.. I follow I follow…………yes
Z.. And those sums were then
transferred
C.. (can’t read notes) and they
were transferred on the 31st
Z.. Yes after the forfeiture had
taken place
C.. Yes.. … Yes … … so.. Those are
the facts that these facts were re payment can I just see if Ms Cracy wishes to
add
Ms Cracy: Umm
C.. That on the 31st
all the rent due was paid
Ms Cracy: Yes that all the rent
was paid up to the end of September
C.. Yes
Ms Cracy: I don’t agree with all
that she says in the letter of July because in the gallery the floor had been
taken out and that the floor had been covered by the insurance well I’m not
going to go through the whole insurance
C.. I certainly don’t need you to
do all that … but just at the moment I’m concentrating on only the figures when
Ms Cracy: I’m just trying to
explain that we couldn’t get the floor fixed and when we had all the very
important bookings on top of all that instead of accepting that then they on
top of that… (interrupted)
C.. The section 25 notice yes yes
Ms Cracy: Those are the reasons
why we thought we didn’t have to pay the rent
C.. yes yes
Ms Cracy: When we met with
solicitors from a firm called Steeles Law it was them that wrote the letter and
it was them that told us that we could trigger the cessor of rent clause
C.. Yes well you don’t have to
tell me what advice your solicitor gave you
Ms Cracy: Well it’s important
because it's the reason we wrote that letter
C… You can yes you can but I’m
just telling you don’t have to
Ms Cracy: I don’t really follow,
I’m not very good at speaking….(interrupted)
C… Well you don’t need to worry
about why you went to solicitors I can quite understand why you did just at the
moment I’m concentrating on the figures it seems there’s an agreement between
the two of you as to what was paid and when and effectively you can bring
matters entirely up to date on the 31st August ah October
Ms Cracy: Yes we actually sent the
cheque and we actually heard from no one
C.. No one
Ms Cracy: No answer we sent that
letter as we couldn’t afford the solicitors they did very little work and
charged us an exceptional amount of money and we tried to use the parts of the
letter they showed us but we had very little confidence or trust in the
defendant and so we took the advice in the letter and we just thought we’d
approach it in a different manner
C.. And now your cheque you sent
it was never attached
Ms Cracy: No it was never attached
and there was a conversation between Ms Flores and
Ms Flores: Clarence
Ms Cracy: Clarence at the finance
department
Ms Flores: Lots of cheques had
gone missing
Ms Cracy: As far as that..
(interrupted)
C.. Yes yes what ever the
conversation Ms Cracy was.. (interrupted)
Ms Cracy: Well the conversation
was that he said that there was a lot of cheques that went missing recently and
that there was a problem between reception and finances, which is when we
decided to make a bank transferred to ensure that it couldn’t go missing and
yes it was after the bailiffs had got, the transfer
C. Sorry what was after the
bailiffs?
Ms Cracy: this happen after the bailiffs had broken in we
phoned
C.. The conversation between
Clarence and yes...
Ms Cracy: Ms Flores yes and we
delivered a couple of bank statements that showed the transfer had been
C.. The transfer
Ms Cracy: had been done. In actual
fact that transfer was done on the evening of the 30th Oct but only
appears on the statement the day after on the statement
C… Was that the day of the
conversation between Clarence and Ms Flores?
Ms Flores: The transfer and the conversation was
all on the same day
Ms Cracy: OK yes, (to Jo) yes, yes
your honour and
C.. The same day
Ms Cracy: The same day and the
bank statement and the proof of payment was hand delivered to the defendants
office the following day
C.. So that's the bank statements
Ms Cracy: Yes, I would also like
to say unless it doesn’t make any difference but there was no hope of payment being
allowed at the office
C.. Yes
Ms Cracy: and that hopefully that
was for all
C…. Anything else?
Ms Cracy: No
C..Right Ms Bhaloo umm why doesn’t
that restore the lease on the basis of the equivalent of relief from
forfeiture?
Z.. Your honour right can I hand
of the?
C.. Yes yes thank you very much, Anyway the facts about payment
are agreed
Z.. Yes they’re agreed (are we
agreed? Not to my knowledge but I was ill that day so just took notes)
C.. (Muttered can’t read notes)
Z.. Your honour its my impression
anyway that the forfeiture took place and the lease came to an end now what
I’ve handed out first of all is an extract from Woodfall paragraph 17 of 194
C.. Yes
Z.. Relief within six months of
peaceable re-entry so where the lesser has forfeited land for non-payment of
rent by re-entry without action the leases may apply to the county court for
relief at any time within 6 months of the landlords re-entry and on such
application the court may get such relief that the high court would have granted….. Your honour there are cases where you
can’t really have courted to grant relief outside the courts processes and
there are cases about that (which she doesn’t mention) and whether that is....
possible or not but that's not what is happened here we were never able to
grant relief we in fact the claimants ignored possession and broke back in and
we… re-entered again on the… 4th Nov and then they went off to the
high court so they’ve been in possession since then… your honour there has been
no application before you in these proceedings there is no entry on the claim
(apart from we took it to High Court!!)
C. Was it ever drawn to the court?
Z.. Your honour your honour they
had Lesley Longhurst Woods actually and she said something actually (debated by
Chan and I publically yes she did no she didn’t!!) about a claim for relief and
your honour said yes I wouldn’t mind they.. they’ve.. They’ve… never but the county court can as
standard the only and the only jurisdiction that we had to grant relief was
under section 138 in association with 139 on the next page the next extract
I’ve handed over your honour sees that 138 applied this section has effect
where a leasse sorry when a lesser is proceeding by action in the county court
being an action in which a tenant has jurisdiction (can’t read notes no extract handed to us) for non-payment
of rent and in that case where we would proceed by action then if you pay the
rent (never mentions order in high court not to pay rent by HHJ Clarke or if
the fact had we applied in isolation ‘from all the facts’ i.e. harassment,
extortion, bribery, cessor of rent and breaking an entry for relief she’d have
tried to use just this technicality earlier on and hoped to close the case
which they didn’t manage as we brought it to the Queen’s Bench court 37 in
2008) in then you get relief but
page 139 sorry section 139 two
which is section in a couple of pages over your honour and that is the
perception that Woodfall the extracts from Woodfall refers to, where a lesser has enforced against a lessee by
re-entry without action
C.. This is sub section 2?
Z.. Yes your honour
C.. I see..
Z Arrives at re-entry or
forfeiture of the.. Any land for non-payment of rent the lessee may at any time
within six months from the date on which the lessor re-entered apply to the
county court for relief and on entry and such payment the court may in effect
grant to the lessee such relief as the high court granted
(Now don’t you think that that
last statement ‘such relief as the High Court granted’ is her undoing?)
Your honour and in my view there’s
no jurisdiction to grant relief now and your honour it would because there’s
been no rent payment for the period of two years (as rent was asked for by her
at the High Court and answered ‘I don’t think so’ very sarcastically by HHJ
Clarke’ in what was said then by HHJ Clarke for everyone’s benefit to be a
speedy trial establishing all the issues at hand at the county court hence
these proceedings) since the end of 2008 any relief would have to be on terms
that those arrears those sums are paid with immediate effect
C.. Well it would be everything up
to the date of the re-instatement of the lease
Z.. Which would be if there were
jurisdiction, which I may remind you that there is none
C.. Yes yes there.. (interrupted)
Z.. That would need sorting out
C.. Yes
Z we can’t have if we carry …
(interrupted)
C. Yes. There is an authority on…
on that very point but… the relief must relate to the time of the hearing
Z. Yes
C..Relief indeed from
Z.. Hmm hmm
C..But.. It’s more a statement
than a (mentions law with no conference to our lack of knowledge and offers no
common explanation as is just speaking to her, the legal family, and I am
stunned at this) Stuart Collier.
Z.. Oh yes of course
C I believe
Z.. Your honour and we’ll leave
that but the purpose of relief would be to put the landlord back
C.. In the position that he
Z.. If he had been if he, which is
why a regime of cost in that sort of circumstances its its obvious even if I
may say so your honour with out the btt et er het er er thet that ere that there is there is
authorities all all and there is authorities that you can’t just say pay it
sometime before we’d have to be satisfied that it would be paid and feel pretty
confident
C.. And it would have to be within
a period of not less than 28 days (interesting we paid 24 hours after cheque
confusion) under section 138 if if it applies
Z.. If if it applies emm your
honour I think I should …. Another
C.. Yes yes well I can always change
that once the umm
Z.. Your honour theres a clear
statement in in Woodfall as to the requirement that the that the the tenant should be able ummm to paaay
Z.. Your honour so it not just
j..t that can’t just be suspended indefinetly there has to be a .. .. they have
to pay there has to be a definite date
C.. Fine yes yes yes sure fine of
course we have to fix them here (what is ‘them’?)
Z.. Yes
Z… Your honour
C.. We can’t fix a period less
than 28 days
Z.. your honour I’m not I’m not
sure about the 28 days
C.. umm on ..n Yes its .. subject to 138 the court will
order them to pay if the court is satisfied that the landlord is entitled
(interesting word) is fortified to enforce forfeiture its 138 the court shall
order within the possessions made within the lessors subject to not
Z.. Yeah so not yeah
C… For release
Z..Yes sorry I’m concentrating on
139 because in my demission section 138 does not apply (carving it up!!!)
C.. I quite follow but if it were
I .. would still yes
Z.. Yes
C.. Trying to see what the figures
would be
Z.. Yes your honour
C.. unless of course the rent all
the rent was in ..ah possible way
yeah..
Z.. I’m also reminded that in high
court in Nov 2008 the claimants were told to apply for relief
Ms Flores: We were not
Ms Cracy: Yeah
Ms Flores: We weren’t were we?
Ms Cracy: Yeah
C: (mutters a lot to her so it
won’t get on transcript probably he knows that one!)
LOOONG pause….
C.. Yeahh
Z.. Your honour so it appears on
my submissions on forfeiture
C.. So in terms of money claim
under your counter claim
Z.. Yeahhhh
C.. What does it come to..
Z.. In terms of mean profits
rather than
C.. The mean profits would run
from the 25th of Dec because you get your quarterly
Z.. well your honour I’m not sure
that that's a matter of law that may not
C.. That may not be right
Z.. Errr so so there may not be
C.. it brings it literally too
Z.. well that may not be what the
law allows
C.. Look I don’t suppose that
because the law allows (can’t read the notes) you can only get the higher
amount (feeding it to her)
Z.. (sheepishly) yes
C.. (and then mutters a lot of
what ever it is that old trick again can’t catch it)
Z.. your honour shall I give you
the figures we’ve got?
C.. Yes
Z…and we can we can adjust them I
do believe that we’ve handed up a schedule
C: Yes yes you did
Z.. So your honour will see that
we’ve adjusted it from the 29th umm umm so we can deal with that but in relation to what the
total figure to what we’ve paid now is 13 thousand
C.. Just let me understand the
system you are taking that first period of 57 days and you make it one o six
nine eight nine on the basis of what I’ve signed on Monday and got and past
since you received the payment at a different rate (Outrageous!) I could have
attended the differences
Z… May I just check ………….your
honour I think
C.. the rent was 5 thousand five
hundred
Z.. yes your honour the way to
deal with your honours point is simply to give credit for the sum we received
on thee on thee 31st
C.. well provided it was thee it's
a quarters worth five thousand five hundred divided by four that's one three seven five
Z.. one three seven five yes your
honour
C.. one three seven five
Z.. Your honour that would hmmm
C.. well that's a bigger figure
than ..
Z.. ummm
C… But it ran from
Z.. yes it ran from September yes
your honour we have to take a proportion of off the one three seven five and your honour we can do that we can do that
calculation
C.. Yes yes
Z.. then we have to take the
amount of one three seven five which applies to the seven days so we need
something less than one three seven five on
C.. Yes well you better wipe that
out
Z..and similarly your honour with
one o six we would have to give credit with a proportion of the part of the
amount paid and take that off the 26
48 1 on the last page
we, we will do those calculations
C.. Yes so your bringing it in
quarterly amounts
Z… Yes I’m not sure we’re obliged
to do but that's just a change to do
C.. yes its sensible
Z.. I think there’s a slight
advantage there
C.. And this comes up to ?
Z Yes .. (very long pause) right
so your honour if one takes 57 days
off the 5500
C.. Yes
Z.. That is eight hundred and 58
pounds and 99 pence
C.. Eight five eight
Z.. 99
C.. 99p
Z..and if one takes that offff the one o 69 89 that leaves
you with a figure of 483.19
C.. What
Z.. and if one takes that off a
seven days period 483.92 four hundred and eighty three ninety
C.. You deduct from 1 o 6 9. 89
from that period
Z.. Err
Z Your honour I think I make that
C.. Oh well I didn’t
Z.. two hundred and ten
C.. Divided by 265
Z. err
C.. yes well and then you multiple
by 6 or 7?
Z.. (bated breathe) yeah.. divided
by two six five
C. eight five nine nine o
Z..and one o 6 9.88 minus
C ..89
Interruption by me about Oliver
clearly filming and recording the procedures I saw him do it many times grab it
off him but the Judge does not care at all…. He simply says:
HHJ Cowell: Can you take that
outside…
Ms Bhaloo: I make that two hundred
and 10 99
(long pause)
Z.. That's two hundred and ten 99
C.. (almosts sings) two hundred
and ten 99 ( he’s nervous though about what I just said to Oliver as he has in
no way addressed it and Oliver has left the court with his machine still left
on the table)
Z.. and so the 13, 169 and 47
pence at the end what I think comes out to
C.. Whats the size of interest
(very evilly said)
Z (very serious and teacherly
annoyed too) may I just give you the figure for the rent before I COME ONTO
(quietly) interest…
C.. Yes yessss
Z.. Umm Your Honour the 13
thousand is just been arrived it doesn’t include the interest (she’s speeding
up now as only just got off her high horse and realised what he said and wants
more cash for her clients so sounds more begging)
C.. 31
Z thirty one fifty nine
C.. Yes
Z.. If you take the eight five
eight ninty off that it become 12 thousand 300 pounds and fifty seven and we
can we can go over those to double check them
C.. Yes
Z.. I’m sorry my instructing
solicitor makes it three hundred and ten may we just check .. … and we may have
to redo that and your honour I will make sure we do the same calculation
C.. Well I think it might be a
good idea if umm… I adjourn for a short time err it may that Ms Cracy wants to
be satisfied how this is worked out, I think that's the answer but lets see …
Z… Perhaps we’ll explain your
honour
BREAK OVER
Z… (some blabbery about her
writing) Perhaps I can explain my writing sorry on 104 what I’ve done is 5500
divided by 3 hundred and 65 times six or seven to get to an appropriate amount
Z.. a proportion of the amount of
rent and that Comes to 858 92
C…Yes
Z.. and if you want to take that
off the amount that we were putting
C.. You get 2 ten 99
Z.. Yes and we were putting the total
amount in the end it becomes 12 3 10 67
C.. Well 12 310 67
Z.. Then on 106 9,000 divided by 365 times 54 and its
around 1405
C.. 1405
Z.. and one takes that off the one
four seven 19 that is the vat figure of 741 pounds and seventy one pence
C… Yes I’m inclined to agree
Z.. and then
C.. I’ll Write in 741 721 (?)
Z.. and then right in the end 5 thousand and seventy five and
88pence
C Right that s five thousand and
seventy five and 88 pence
Z.. that's my instructions
depending on (can’t read notes)
C: Yes Ms Cracy have you anything
to add I don’t know if you happen to agree that
Ms Cracy: Can we deal with the
first part (interrupted)
C..Yes
(longish pause)
C.. Can I tell you how I see it
that because you never made an application for forfeiture its too late now plus
even if you had made an application to appeal against forfeiture the only order
I should make is too within 28 days or possibly a bigger period but not much
bigger you make payment to the total of err 12 thousand 310.57 and 25 thousand
75 88 you could get absolutely one or the other of them ,back together also
with some costs if it would be impossible in practice to pay that then you haven’t got to the stage of
bankruptcy???
Ms Cracy: Really? Can I talk to
you about that law
C.. Yes (can’t read word) that
will be at the end???
Ms Cracy: That will come at the
end of the trial
C.. Yes that comes to an end at
the end of the trial
Ms Cracy: And wouldn’t you at the
end of the trial see that that was the appeal?
C.. If You get it and you were to
appeal then .. at a time of .. ..
your claim … because of the (counter claim?) you would have to … pay and if you
have nothing to pay
Ms Cracy: I’m not sure????
C…I don’t know what do you want to
do
Ms Cracy; Well I believe we have
been (can’t read note)…. ….
C… and that's what you wanted to
say?
Ms Cracy: Yeah and the …. (can’t
read note)
C… Yes well just before I finish
have you got some other points you want to raise (he is mean now) can I just
ask Ms Bhaloo your view does include the total (can’t read note)
Z (can’t read note) your honour etc
C In terms of that ( can’t read
notes)
Z Well your honour I would seek a
declaration that … …. it has been forfeited and … (can’t read notes)
C Yes Yes
Z And that it absolutely had come
to an end and … the effect of that that despite the injunction … … blah Law
blah blah (can’t read notes.
C Yes Yes and that would be the
end of the case
Ms Cracy In relation to mean
profits taking into consideration the valuation on Monday (blah blah can’t read
note) and that mean profits would be over the valuation of rent that was meant
to be paid.. (blah can’t read note) … fit
C Well one can ignore completely
the..
Ms Cracy But what I mean is that
from the period of forfeiture right to the time where the rent was due for …
does that mean you are raising the rent . . ….
C Yes I m raising the rent to what
was established on Monday I m taking into account that your payment at the
beginning of Oct covers the rent till Dec not all that's why the .. (blah Can’t
read note)..
Ms Cracy Over £9,000 because
that's why we are not satisfied that the rent is over .. (can’t read notes Bla
blah… )
C Yes I’m afraid it's a matter of
the law that follows that that's the rent
note ( can’t rbla bah) yes sadly it's a case that follows the case of
forfeiture the fact that you have no arrears .. (blab la can’t read note) and
if there is anything else you want to say
Ms Cracy Well the lease (can’t
read notes blah..)
C Well that has come to an
end (Can’t read note Bl blah)
C The only thing I could do is if
you are able to make some form of payment… …. (can’t read notes Blah blah) at least something that seems
reasonable £12,000 or £25,000 that might that might impose (blah blah can’t
read note) some sort some sort … yes… The trouble is you see I have to assume
that you cannot pay and in fact you … … the premises … Have you been able to
use the premises why would you want them back etc ….
Ms Cracy (Blah blab la blab la …
very long explanation on use of premises with leaks etc but can’t make out the
notes)
C Back to his Judgement on the 9th
Sept I won’t repeat the question of appeal still stands. At the date of
peaceable re-entry by the defendants on the 29th Oct there was er
rent outstanding the only thing that can be set against it unfortunately from
the point of the claimant is the Judgement of £100 which I gave on
contemplation in the Judgement of Monday 20th Sept. The amount of
the rent in arrears on the date of the 29th Oct was transferred by
the claimants to the defendants on the 21st Oct ordinarily an
application for relief by the defendants would have resulted in an order of the
up to date sum to be paid under which relief was granted under the section 138
woodfall, unfortunately in this case the claimants did not make an application
for relief from forfeiture and so when I am reminded that when they appeared at
the county court that one of the instance they would be here and in accordance
with 138 and 139 with sub-section 2 enable which to make an application in six
months and because there has been no application I then don’t have any
jurisdiction to grant relief but I comfort myself by saying that today the
amount that today would be by way of mean profit if I had done anyway that's to
see.. In the case of 104 that's £12,310.67
And 106 £25,075.88 and if I granted relief on the basis that
the rent had been paid up to date there would be something roughly in the
region of about £30,000 altogether owed and that they may not have that kind of
money by which some kind of stay while appeal could be drawn… so the order it
seems to me I’m bound to make is that the defendants recover possession of the
property now and that they are entitled to the two sums to be paid less the
£100 I gave judgement … So that is the order that I make on the basis of my .. Judgement….
Now the next point could be that
the claimant could should, that there wasn’t any rent outstanding on the 29th
Oct even so they would still be obliged to pay the rent. It is a tragedy that
instead of using the premises (Ha cheek which were unusable) it seems they have
spent all there time and effort pursuing the defendant and a tragedy that it
may be more that what they now find (in other words and now he is finally
showing his true colours in carefully chosen words but you can see his face
says exactly what he means, we should not have even dared ever to complain let
alone get this far with this case and now the penny has dropped clearly that it
has been deliberate that we were constantly being sabotaged by this court to
give up and accept defeat with delays and no answers , with cost orders during
lead up to trial, and no orders or even answers when it suited them and one
sided trial with me in the box for 4 days and no chance to put my case across so
told to put it in an EMAIL, then admitting he does not read even our legal
submission until I caught him out so he had to put the record straight what in
just one day and changes nothing and now all this today was a brutal and
patronising slap from on high! It was corrupt!!! £100 off.. Joke)… So I should
with permission from Ms Bhaloo that I should extend the permission time from
the appellant judge to three weeks after the receipt of the claim of the
approved transcripts of my……… but provided that the application was made by the
claimants for the transcripts within 3 weeks of today…
So the difficult question is if
you are entitled to a stay, its implicit in what I’ve said that I don’t think
you are entitled to stay so it would seem to me that to grant a stay would only
mean that the defendants would be kept out of the premises unless the amount
mentioned in my judgement today.. in my judgement that I shouldn’t allow a
stay.
Ms Cracy How long will we have to…
C Well its not really a matter… if
you were to provide in terms of money something in the region of several
thousand maybe more you could always ask to reconsider the question of a stay
as I have to balance the interest of the parties
Ms Cracy (Blah bla can’t read note
re time
C Sensible thing is if there is
money to speak to Ms Bhaloo but I’m not being optimistic because I can only
decide what should be paid when I know what the situation is
Ms Cracy In terms of my other
question if there isn’t the money then how long…
C Well I’m afraid that the order
is forthwith
Ms Cracy Which means?
C NOW…
(no note …but I remember she said
to him ‘You Can’t do that’ and he smiled in her face)
Ms Cracy Isn’t that something you
can consider in you Judgement
C They are concerned that the
matter is forthwith and they may want time to remove the goods ( he speaks to
Ms Bhaloo with an empathises on the ‘Goods’ as he puts it! With slight smile
between them.)
Ms Bhaloo blah if the matter is
stay… more money.. (na na na) happy you honour
C Just trying to answer ( unclear
note blah bal) out of my jurisdiction (again unclear bla word)
Ms Bhaloo Well that just seems to
leave the matter of costs
C Yes
Just to add that at one point the
judge when he was explaining about the error of his ways again not reading our
90 pages, 245 paragraphs legal submission I did shout out, ‘Yes of course you
were so confused because one had the word CLAIMANT on it and the other had the
word DEFENDANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also at the end of the costs
hearing I read out an important thing in response to his outrageous TRADEGY
comments and his point that we had never asked for ventilation which was
ridiculous as we did from the start and clearly with good common sense reason
as early as 2005 to Chris Natt about banging out a door…
Plus when I started the case I
said we would rely on three important documents..
Banging out a door letter to Chris
Natt was one of them!!!
I said, to the Judge finally ‘ We
would like expressed permission (from you) which has to date been withheld,
ignored to put in ventilation…
(As we can’t do it without
permission from them, which they won’t give and can’t get planning permission
they have to, to go through the structure or they’d sue us, catch 22, which is
nicely convenient for them while the trial was going on..)
Expressed permission to honour the
high court Judgement to allow ‘Quiet Enjoyment’ of the claimant in both
businesses to be able to short/long term hire as set out in request letter for
the lease as a place for hire’..
(Again one of the only three
documents as set out at start of case to use the place for hire so if we got a
block booking they would do us under the terms of the lease not to licence hire
which may have saved us if we could have got a hiree to long term on the
condition that we take their deposit to put in the ventilation.)
I also say that the Judge has tied
us up in what will now be a lengthy appeal process something his honour is
(‘famously’) well known to have done to claimants before with no regard for
their further losses.
I finally say I was someone who
was in care, I had a good project going, I did not take any public money unlike
the defendant yet this so called social landlord has done everything in its
power never to mediate but to go all out to wreck me and that this court has
just knowingly assisted them in doing so in this pro-landlord judgment.
They take our fully refurbished
(to the tune of ten’s of thousands of pounds) shops at 5.55am the following
day, as it was too late that evening to order a bailiff.
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