Right of Reply to Commander Neil Jerome iicsa 07/03/19
Some parts are redacted not to show emails of the Met Police
Ms Mary Moss
Complaints Support Team 22nd Floor Empress State Building Empress Approach Lillie Road London SW6 1TR E-mail: DPSMailbox-.CST@met.police.uk Our reference: QU/00067/18 Date: 11 January 2018
Dear Ms Moss
We need some more information about your complaint
You recently contacted us via the IPCC to make a complaint against the Metropolitan Police Service.
Here is the complaint;
I worked in NAYPIC National Association of Young People In Care as their London Development Officer from 1987 to 1992. I then resigned to develop the organisation Nationally as a volunteer national and then stood for election elected at three conferences and was voted National Chair of the National Executive Committee by 1800 youth. I must have had in the region of 100 complaints on my desk at any given time, throughout my time as a London Development Officer. I had a high media profile and was able to resolve many cases as well as meet and consult with professionals at all levels including, the Health Minister and most members of the Dept of Health at the time. In 1993 the NAYPIC was raided whilst I was at a leaving care launch with the NCCVO, NSPCC and NAYPIC just near Downing Street. I witnessed a new white dustbin cart with two men in forensic white all-in-one suits take the last of the NAYPIC London and South office into their dustbin cart possession. I shouted at them to stop and the man taking the last of our case files, in black bin bags, filled just enough to be carried, ran to the van as I chased it down Stucley Street NW1, a small street in Camden where NAYPIC had a modern contemporary, two storey office, heavily protected with metal shutters that I had had installed money I fundraised from Children In Need. Upon entering the empty offices of National Association of Young People In Care I could see that they had taken £10,000 worth of computers, paid for with money I had raised from Children In Need, as well as the office desks, chairs. I salvaged the last thirty or so bin bags and took them to an office of a charity further up the road in Camden, called ‘the serious road trip’ who were feeding and entertaining the children on buses throughout war torn Europe. They kindly allowed me to have an office in return for helping them to fundraise. Many NAYPIC cases were then safe and secure but much of the more sensitive casework I had already hidden, at my home. I did that because this was evidence that would historically come into use, when children, one day, had a voice and police forces took abuse of children more seriously then they did at the time. In all our NAYPIC files we always put a notice inside of the cover of files reading ‘this evidence is protected by PACE Police & Criminal Evidence Act 1984.’ NAYPIC may have been raided by the Home Office in 1993, as a series of events then took place with funding from all Government organisations withdrawn and then followed an odd and insensitive article by a social work journal with a picture of one of our young management committee, who had recently committed suicide pictured through the glasses of an adult advisor, whom we had recently sacked, stating ‘NAYPIC is Dead, Long live NAYPIC’. I was asked by my then Management Committee, to practically give up any other career steps I may have gone on to do, since I was educated and experiences in child care issues and had come 2nd out of 70 applicants in a job worth over fifty thousand, if I could carry the mantle of setting NAYPIC back up and to be remunerated and compensated for any directors loans once I had carried out the last wish and vote of NAYPIC, to have a membership of all 12 million children by parliamentary budget and that NAYPIC was to be called NNYP New NAYPIC Youth Parliament. I successfully set up two art galleries to fund NNYP in 1999 to 2013. It was not to my surprise then during 2012 (when I was representing myself against a top firm of lawyers in an important 2 million pounds precedent court case against RSA & UKU insurance company and my landlord Community Housing Association, the Chair of whom, was sister in law of the Master of the Rolls on ‘Absolute Liability’ in disrepair to both the shops following flooding into the premises from outside on the landlords premises) that I had suddenly come to the attention of some of the establishment who didn’t like me due to the absolute liability case and perhaps those too whom had stumbled on me through www.youthparliament.co.uk which had long list of historical abuses, that had been on that site since 1999 or early 2000. Now however the establishment putting two and two together, worked out I was not someone who had gone away even with a name change and NNYP had contemporary premises in central London www.scarletmaguire.com and www.spaceshift.co.uk and I was quite a dab hand at being in court on this absolute liability case, which was valuable to insurers worldwide and that I with a passion had set out to ensure that my case and essentially NNYP was not stolen again, by the powers that be, who had already trespassed both shop premises in 2008 with all the NAYPIC files in the downstairs offices. I had a blog called www.legalaidcuts.blogspot.com to hi-light the pure corruption in my case. I was again a thorn in the establishment’s side. A Mr Watson MP for labour, I believe met with the 1992 sacked former advisor of NAYPIC’s, as when he emailed me and then later called me, he used the same uncanny language of that former advisor and he sounded very sensationalist to me, bearing in mind he had recently had some success in the Leverson inquiry and was populist MP at the time, I saw him as feathering his own nest, I yawned upon taking notes of what he was saying and was then surprised when he asked me to co-operate with any police that may approach me in secret. Having a serious court case to get on with and being soon in the Court of Appeal with a top Pro-Bono QC who was endangering bringing back ‘Ryland v Fletcher’ and the law of ‘Absolute Liability this contact with Mr Watson smacked to me of the same adult advisor and his Russian counter-parts, enlisting either blatantly or chancing it a Mr Tom Watson MP. I knew something would blow re child abuse if that adult advisor had anything to do with it but then and now in 2012 I wasn’t going to be any part of it, I knew I would just let it be as my work was to raise an economy not a hell again as had been in 1993 when life as NAYPIC knew it was finished, as was children’s rights for years to come. I thanked Mr Watson for his time and said something like that I ‘could not work with police as I had been given evidence in confidence by young people, back then’. I also made sure I gave nothing away when he kept mentioning Mr Peter Righton and the Elm guest house except to say that yes it was all my casework. I was then contacted by DCI PAUL SETTLE and asked to hand over confidential info so I put it on my blog and was raided.
Another letter followed saying that I could not continue the complaint parts are redacted;
I am persecuted by the state regularly. I don’t know what exactly to do about it. You say you investigate without fear or favour but you don’t want to investigate a live matter. I have kept the lid on my persecution as I have grown used to it. I only complained as I thought that the law had changed for the IOPC to accept direct complaints. Clearly this is not the case. I cannot believe I made a complaint to police who investigate police it makes no sense and I would never have done that but since I have then tell me why are you doing this and what have I done for you to do this?
Mary Moss
Mary Moss
Contact with police during lunch hour yesterday when Commander Neil was flinging me under a bus
Best Mary Moss
Ms Mary Moss
Complaints Support Team 22nd Floor Empress State Building Empress Approach Lillie Road London SW6 1TR E-mail: DPSMailbox-.CST@met.police.uk Our reference: QU/00067/18 Date: 11 January 2018
Dear Ms Moss
We need some more information about your complaint
You recently contacted us via the IPCC to make a complaint against the Metropolitan Police Service.
Here is the complaint;
I worked in NAYPIC National Association of Young People In Care as their London Development Officer from 1987 to 1992. I then resigned to develop the organisation Nationally as a volunteer national and then stood for election elected at three conferences and was voted National Chair of the National Executive Committee by 1800 youth. I must have had in the region of 100 complaints on my desk at any given time, throughout my time as a London Development Officer. I had a high media profile and was able to resolve many cases as well as meet and consult with professionals at all levels including, the Health Minister and most members of the Dept of Health at the time. In 1993 the NAYPIC was raided whilst I was at a leaving care launch with the NCCVO, NSPCC and NAYPIC just near Downing Street. I witnessed a new white dustbin cart with two men in forensic white all-in-one suits take the last of the NAYPIC London and South office into their dustbin cart possession. I shouted at them to stop and the man taking the last of our case files, in black bin bags, filled just enough to be carried, ran to the van as I chased it down Stucley Street NW1, a small street in Camden where NAYPIC had a modern contemporary, two storey office, heavily protected with metal shutters that I had had installed money I fundraised from Children In Need. Upon entering the empty offices of National Association of Young People In Care I could see that they had taken £10,000 worth of computers, paid for with money I had raised from Children In Need, as well as the office desks, chairs. I salvaged the last thirty or so bin bags and took them to an office of a charity further up the road in Camden, called ‘the serious road trip’ who were feeding and entertaining the children on buses throughout war torn Europe. They kindly allowed me to have an office in return for helping them to fundraise. Many NAYPIC cases were then safe and secure but much of the more sensitive casework I had already hidden, at my home. I did that because this was evidence that would historically come into use, when children, one day, had a voice and police forces took abuse of children more seriously then they did at the time. In all our NAYPIC files we always put a notice inside of the cover of files reading ‘this evidence is protected by PACE Police & Criminal Evidence Act 1984.’ NAYPIC may have been raided by the Home Office in 1993, as a series of events then took place with funding from all Government organisations withdrawn and then followed an odd and insensitive article by a social work journal with a picture of one of our young management committee, who had recently committed suicide pictured through the glasses of an adult advisor, whom we had recently sacked, stating ‘NAYPIC is Dead, Long live NAYPIC’. I was asked by my then Management Committee, to practically give up any other career steps I may have gone on to do, since I was educated and experiences in child care issues and had come 2nd out of 70 applicants in a job worth over fifty thousand, if I could carry the mantle of setting NAYPIC back up and to be remunerated and compensated for any directors loans once I had carried out the last wish and vote of NAYPIC, to have a membership of all 12 million children by parliamentary budget and that NAYPIC was to be called NNYP New NAYPIC Youth Parliament. I successfully set up two art galleries to fund NNYP in 1999 to 2013. It was not to my surprise then during 2012 (when I was representing myself against a top firm of lawyers in an important 2 million pounds precedent court case against RSA & UKU insurance company and my landlord Community Housing Association, the Chair of whom, was sister in law of the Master of the Rolls on ‘Absolute Liability’ in disrepair to both the shops following flooding into the premises from outside on the landlords premises) that I had suddenly come to the attention of some of the establishment who didn’t like me due to the absolute liability case and perhaps those too whom had stumbled on me through www.youthparliament.co.uk which had long list of historical abuses, that had been on that site since 1999 or early 2000. Now however the establishment putting two and two together, worked out I was not someone who had gone away even with a name change and NNYP had contemporary premises in central London www.scarletmaguire.com and www.spaceshift.co.uk and I was quite a dab hand at being in court on this absolute liability case, which was valuable to insurers worldwide and that I with a passion had set out to ensure that my case and essentially NNYP was not stolen again, by the powers that be, who had already trespassed both shop premises in 2008 with all the NAYPIC files in the downstairs offices. I had a blog called www.legalaidcuts.blogspot.com to hi-light the pure corruption in my case. I was again a thorn in the establishment’s side. A Mr Watson MP for labour, I believe met with the 1992 sacked former advisor of NAYPIC’s, as when he emailed me and then later called me, he used the same uncanny language of that former advisor and he sounded very sensationalist to me, bearing in mind he had recently had some success in the Leverson inquiry and was populist MP at the time, I saw him as feathering his own nest, I yawned upon taking notes of what he was saying and was then surprised when he asked me to co-operate with any police that may approach me in secret. Having a serious court case to get on with and being soon in the Court of Appeal with a top Pro-Bono QC who was endangering bringing back ‘Ryland v Fletcher’ and the law of ‘Absolute Liability this contact with Mr Watson smacked to me of the same adult advisor and his Russian counter-parts, enlisting either blatantly or chancing it a Mr Tom Watson MP. I knew something would blow re child abuse if that adult advisor had anything to do with it but then and now in 2012 I wasn’t going to be any part of it, I knew I would just let it be as my work was to raise an economy not a hell again as had been in 1993 when life as NAYPIC knew it was finished, as was children’s rights for years to come. I thanked Mr Watson for his time and said something like that I ‘could not work with police as I had been given evidence in confidence by young people, back then’. I also made sure I gave nothing away when he kept mentioning Mr Peter Righton and the Elm guest house except to say that yes it was all my casework. I was then contacted by DCI PAUL SETTLE and asked to hand over confidential info so I put it on my blog and was raided.
From: New NAYPIC <naypic@hotmail.com>
Sent: 15 January 2018 20:49
To: DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk
Subject: Re: Complaint against Met Police, our ref QU/67/18 Mary Moss
Sent: 15 January 2018 20:49
To: DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk
Subject: Re: Complaint against Met Police, our ref QU/67/18 Mary Moss
I have run out of space to
finish on the application attached. So just to say I put it on the
internet because I was scared for anyone on those notes as well as for
my own safety. I feared that unless I made it public
then secret operations could just tidy up whatever it was they thought I
still had. I knew that none of it was formulated properly and that the
evidence required to convict had not yet been properly attained by
NAYPIC. I knew that people could be be bumped
off and made to look like they done it themselves.
I tried so hard to have that
conversation with the Prime Minister or the Home Office. I was under a
duty to protect that information.
When The Home Office finally told me to work with the police in a secret op with no agenda I saw this as theft of the organisation again just like in 1993.
When The Home Office finally told me to work with the police in a secret op with no agenda I saw this as theft of the organisation again just like in 1993.
Nine officers came to my house
at 6am on the 9th Jan 2013. A friend answered the door as I had been at a
family birthday party in South London and had stayed the night. My
friend called me to tell me, "I was having my
coffee and the door went. I looked through the keyhole and it was like
out of a movie. They held up their badge and asked me to open the door. I
had to take my shower and go to work I did not care but they are in
your house Jo you have to come now..'
I phoned up Bindman's
solicitors as I have successfully sued the East Sussex Police with them
for assault and battery and false imprisonment in 1993. Although the
legal aid cuts did not allow me any legal recourse, I
was advised on a compassionate basis to quote the law regarding
something or other I don't recall. I called DCI Settle and spoke to him
on this law.
I arrived with my friend a
senior social work consultant who was also at the party the night
before. I was met in the court yard by DCI Settle and a white female
officer who stated her name but I forgot. I saw two undercover
officers one male with blonde hair and one black female coming out of my
building with a huge black hold all and they made out they were nothing
to do with anything. I however knew they had done something in my flat
and sensed something nasty with filming as
they were smug as if they'd set me up or something? I later spotted the
blonde officer at the Empress building so I knew I hadn't been wrong
with my instincts but still don't know what heavy equipment was in the
large bag. I'd like to know still?
Upon entry to my flat my friend
and I were friendly but silent. A gentleman was sitting in plain suit
and coat on my sofa and said very little. I imagine him to be senior but
he seemed nice enough. I am house proud and
my flat is full of art so I said to him 'do you like my flat' he said
yes. The lady officer and two other uniformed officers James Townley and
I forgot his name but have it recorded somewhere stood at my kitchen
bar and asked me to sigh for my £1000 desk computer
which had been bagged up and then for my laptop which had all my current
court case proceeding on it, that had also been bagged up. I noticed
that they had found the guest signing in book with the likes of cliff
Richard signed in and many others and that they
had found a copy of the written allegations that a former adult advisor
had written up to do with that case of the Elm Guest House. They missed a
copy however that I had placed face down under the wardrobe of my white
floor so that worked as I still held a
copy. Someone asked me something about my court case and did I think
this would help? I agreed although I wasn't sure what the hell they were
going on about. I signed and with my legs not noticeably shaking I was
friendly and let them out. I felt traumatised
by the whole experience and now that the rid had happened I felt
victimised and scared. I phoned a friend who had the rest of NAYPIC info
in his shed. He wanted me to take it so he was not raided. It had more
Elm Guest House evidence in the 19 boxes. I was
afraid to leave my house and I set up a pet cam. I believed that they
were accessing my house. This especially when some of the stuff they had
appeared back in my house or on the internet. Lots of people like
Madland's whom i believed were police started having
a say on twitter about me. My court case reputation was now ruined and
my name Mary Moss was all over the tabloids and the internet. I spent 3
years after trying not to be associated with the adult advisor whom I
had sacked for good reason, yet his name and
mine as well as the good name and work of NAYPIC became deliberately
entangled with his past and of some 2012 Olympic Fraud he had been
involved with yet I hadn't seen him since i sacked him as an advisor in
1991. Lots of care experienced adults contacted me.
Lots of nutters too and I had now neither premises nor reputation. I
have bearly survived all of it by just keeping my head down as I am only
too well aware of the dangers of it all. The police in August 2013
started to put co-ordinates around my house since
I wouldn't go out much. They also tracked my phone and blatantly
followed me directly over my head as if this was a joke and they were
getting a kick out of it. I still get followed. I still have trolls that
I have ignord for ages now and I still make reference
to NAYPIC boxes on social media. Lawyers for the child abuse inquiry I
believe including Fiona Woolf and Butler Sloss have seen them as well as
many police forces throughout the country. I have been told a few times
who had them and for what op. Former cases
of mine have been approached and harassed. Cases that aren't mine have
too. There has been no co-ordination, no witness protection and an
inquiry set up that none of us trust. Every whinger you can imagine has
been on twitter muddying the waters and the whole
episode lacks any dignity or organisation. I was never asked for a
statement and was treated like an enemy of the state. Fake exhibitions,
victims and criminals have made this child abuse explosion into the
chaos that it now is with no legal aid for victims/survivors
to put their cases. with the people I know who are involved this was a
planned explosion with a state and police outcome protecting those who
in many ways are robbing our country and selling us down the river and
will no longer deal with the law they are becoming
the law and abusing it all.
I have only complained because I
though that I could complain to the IOPC direct from the 8th Jan 2018.
However this complaint makes me now feel in further danger. I was
followed as recently as 28th Dec across Russel
Square Park and then into a shopping center. I am the subject of all the
recent allegations against all the celebraties on the dubbed Mary Moss
list. Yet the UK ignored me for years and years as Jo Gavin who ran two
art galleries and was coming to power.
Mary MossAnother letter followed saying that I could not continue the complaint parts are redacted;
I am persecuted by the state regularly. I don’t know what exactly to do about it. You say you investigate without fear or favour but you don’t want to investigate a live matter. I have kept the lid on my persecution as I have grown used to it. I only complained as I thought that the law had changed for the IOPC to accept direct complaints. Clearly this is not the case. I cannot believe I made a complaint to police who investigate police it makes no sense and I would never have done that but since I have then tell me why are you doing this and what have I done for you to do this?
Mary Moss
From:
.......................on behalf of
DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk
<DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk>
Sent: 29 January 2018 14:47:33
To: naypic@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Complaint against Met Police, our ref PC/218/18 Mary Moss
Sent: 29 January 2018 14:47:33
To: naypic@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Complaint against Met Police, our ref PC/218/18 Mary Moss
Dear Ms Moss,
No.
It means you have 28 days from the date of the letter to make
representations as to why your complaint should
not be subject to a disapplication for being out of time. Please quote
our ref PC/221/18, now that your complaint was formally recorded.
Yours sincerely
Sergeant ............... – Complaint Support Team - Directorate of Professional Standards
'Setting
the bar and upholding standards without fear or favour’
E-mail DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk
Address 22nd Floor, Empress State Building, Lillie Road, London SW6 1TR
From: NN/YP
Youth Parliament [mailto:naypic@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 January 2018 10:03
To: enquiries@policeconduct.gov.uk; DPS Mailbox - CST <DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk>
Subject: Re: Complaint against Met Police, our ref QU/67/18 Mary Moss
Sent: 29 January 2018 10:03
To: enquiries@policeconduct.gov.uk; DPS Mailbox - CST <DPSMailbox-.CST@met.pnn.police.uk>
Subject: Re: Complaint against Met Police, our ref QU/67/18 Mary Moss
Dear Met Police,
You
recently sent me a letter saying that in your opinion my complaint,
which in my opinion is still live and ongoing, is out of time.
Does that mean that you will now forward my complaint for investigation by the IOPC?
Contact with police during lunch hour yesterday when Commander Neil was flinging me under a bus
Thu 07/03/2019 13:26
Dear.....
I was told by the IOPC and the DPS that the complaint was out of time
and that if I wished to continue with it, I would need to take it to a
Judicial Review.
So no I was not satisfied. Also I find it difficult to deal now with you
and Tolpuddle getting in touch with me whilst the IICSA inquiry is
being held nd my name has been mentioned.
Fairbank/Ferbridge returned my boxes and simply said I was the 'holder
of information although in recent days I have been sandwiched between
two crooks at a live hearing by a legal person. Not very nice for me.
