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Friday, 3 August 2018

IPSO why are you buying time this time?


An active smear campaign against ex-pop star has been taking place for many years due to Brian's knowledge of an abuser. Whilst watchdogs take time to redress the situation that gives the media and co ie the police time to make things much worse so that the apology will contain a different narrative


For example Brian Harvey's computers and phone were taken in Nov 2017 but do they print that... no they wait and get their house in order..... and IPSO help them!!!!



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If you would like to go through the papers line by line, I wouldn't bother. This is tatctical of these ombudsman types. Just keeping it to the point is all we need. They will probably throw it out anyway so don't bother giving them more rope to do that than is necessary.

I am going to leave it there for now. Lets see if they are what they set out to be. Or just a piece of bureucracy
Mary

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~FYI

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I don't know why the emails always come out scrambled.

That should say taken from him by the police.

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Yes, they make him out to be a nutter. They are mocking him. They have all a way to make him the subject of worry for his mental health and not what it is he is saying. Although anyone in his current position would be scared for their life, hence clearly why he made the video, this is spun into a hate crime against people with stress and anxiety which is a normal condition. Dishing out supposed facts that back up their theory of why he should be seen in a worrying light. This is an invasion of the right to a private life, unless of course the papers reported accurately which they did not. An example was to deliberately mislead the public by saying Brian said he had clones. One read of that and you'd think anyone was off their rocker but no what he said was the computers that were taken from him by the olice were backed up. CLONED!

Dear Ms Moss,
Thank you for your email.
I’m sorry if this seems like a drawn out process, but it is important that we fully understand your complaint before we make an assessment of it.
You have expressed concern that the newspapers misrepresented Mr Harvey’s comments on “clones”.  Are you able to provide a link to the full video in which he makes this comment? If it is the 18-minute video, could you identify where in the video it appears?
You also have not yet provided the Metro article under complaint. The link you provided shows a list of articles about him, but not the story you are concerned about.  Has it been removed?  
We look forward to hearing from you within seven days, if possible.
Best wishes,
Jonathan Bell
Systems Handler



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Another email later...

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The full explaination is in the 18 minute video between 9.05 minutes to 10.28 mins where the 'clones' comment is fully contextualised.

www.mirror.co.uk
The former East 17 star told the camera he is 'ready to go to war'
You may be right on the Metro it may have been removed.
Mary


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FYI

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This video is relevant as is your delays making the situation worse with no public redress.
Please deal quickly with the complaint.

Not to stop the process here is the 18 min video too

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Enough is Enough. I am asking the Uk public for your support against these corrupt truthers, Police, and Government bodies that have been trying to ruin, sca...


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This is the recording that the former singer of East 17, BRIAN HARVEY had posted on 2nd August 2018, via many website platforms. Brian Harvey says that Police come to ...


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This is ridiculous you have it and not only that you mention it is 18 minutes so that is a fact you seen it. Please deal with the complaint within 7 days.
Mary

Todd Stammers <todd.stammers@ipso.co.uk>
Yesterday, 15:39You




Our References: 04541-18 (thesun.co.uk) 04542-18 (Mail Online) 04543-18 (mirror.co.uk) 04544-18 (Daily Star) 04545-18 (Metro) 


Dear Ms Moss,

Thank you for your email

Could you provide us with a link to the full video? 

We look forward to hearing from you within the next seven days.

All the best,

Todd Stammers
Systems Handler

IPSO

Thursday, 1 June 2017

'VIP child abuse ring' accuser served time in prison for fraud - Telegraph FAKE NEWS


'VIP child abuse ring’ accuser served time in prison for fraud

Robert Mendick article still being used 23rd July 2018 so how then is a complaint to IPSO out of time?

What has happened to journalism? Labour Cllr Chris Fay is nothing to do with NAYPIC!

Jul 18
Having won deserved damages against South Yorkshire Police & the BBC, will Sir Cliff Richard now turn his attention to convicted fraudster Chris Fay who has caused so much damage by spreading vile rumours? Or will Fay & co go on getting away with it?

1 Accuracy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11893906/VIP-child-abuse-ring-accuser-served-time-in-prison-for-fraud.html 

'Fay insisted he never intended the list be made public but a former colleague had posted it on the internet. The two have fallen out.' 

First Fay was not a colleague he was a social worker for Greenwich and an 'informer' to the NAYPIC re several Greenwich cases, where he alone researched and supplied the list to the organisation, after meeting several of the organisation's cases when he happened to be in the office meeting with NAYPIC and then approaching the cases himself outside of the NAYPIC offices. 


Second inaccuracy the police approached a former NAYPIC development officer Mary Moss to ask for the list Fay had compiled. 


Third inaccuracy Fay was banned from NAYPIC in the early nineties following information given to NAYPIC by their then funding body London Boroughs Grants Unit. 


There was no personal falling out 'of the two', at all, she delivered the ban, however the information was severe enough for him to be banned since then and he has had no contact with any NAYPIC staff since. 


Fourth inaccuracy; 'He had been a child social worker with the National Association for Young People in Care (NAYPIC) when he began compiling evidence from children allegedly abused at Elm Guest House' 



Not true. He did some statistical research for the organisation where he volunteered to help produce a publication on case statistics called 'abuse in the care system'. 



Fifth inaccuracy; Mary Moss, a colleague, circulated the list on the internet around December 2012, two months after Mr Watson had made his claims in Parliament. 

He was not a colleague. I put the list on the internet because the police knew I still had it. They could have only got that information from Tom Watson who later claims he only met Mr Fay two months after Dec 2012 (in this article it is evident in the inaccuracy in the timeline for any fool to see). 


So either Watson is lying, the police were lying and or the whole thing is a NAYPIC sabotage since we were in a lucrative court case over our HQ at the time of the police raid at my premises which produced the list and all the log books at the guest house to which were given to NAYPIC by Carol Cazier before she was murdered. 


Sixth inaccuracy; He added: “It was so wrong to put that list online. It starts with hunts. That list could have encouraged people to make up claims.” 



The sensitive data with the list as well as log books from the guest house and banking slips etc, were taken from me by police in a dawn raid on my house and I only circulated the documents because they could have been buried. 

It was serial complex knowledge, I felt should be put into the public domain at the time rather than in police hands only, whom had no more right to the information as did the public, until such time as the information was investigated by NAYPIC who would then bring about court proceedings and protection for witnesses, instead of what turned out to be a shambles.
A list of public figures accused of child abuse, which was circulated on the internet, was drawn up by a former social worker jailed in 2011 for his part in a fraud

Christopher Fay at his home in South London Photo: Geoff Pugh/The Telegraph

By Robert Mendick, Chief Reporter
11:56PM BST 26 Sep 2015


A social worker who first named Leon Brittan and other VIPs as members of an alleged paedophile sex ring was jailed for fraud.
Chris Fay, now 69, drew up a list of prominent public figures he said had visited a guesthouse in London where children were abused.

The list was uploaded on to the internet at a time when Tom Watson, now Labour’s deputy leader, was claiming the existence of a powerful paedophile ring that operated with the knowledge of Downing Street.
It was compiled by Fay on evidence he says was supplied by victims and the owner of the Elm Guest House in south-west London, which has been at the centre of the allegations.
But Fay’s evidence has been thrown into question by his fraud conviction.
Police are investigating historic abuse at Elm Guest House, and have said that Cyril Smith, the Liberal MP, who was never prosecuted in his lifetime, stayed there.
The VIP list identifies a number of well-known figures and has added to concerns that individuals have had their reputations shredded by potentially false but damaging claims.
Fay told The Telegraph he regretted the list had been made public, conceded it contained the names of innocent public figures and admitted it had sparked a witch hunt.
Clockwise from top left; Leon Brittan, "Red Ron' Brown, Cyril Smith and Harvey Proctor
Fay insisted he never intended the list be made public but a former colleague had posted it on the internet. The two have fallen out.
Lord Brittan’s name topped Fay’s list, but it also included Harvey Proctor and a number of other Tory MPs, and Ron Brown, a former Labour MP, who is now dead. Mr Proctor vehemently denies the allegations.
Last week, the Metropolitan Police admitted it was wrong to describe the evidence of one key alleged abuse victim, who is said to have witnessed child murders, as “credible and true”.
The Telegraph also revealed last week that another alleged abuse victim, who also claimed to have evidence of two murders, had been convicted of making hoax bomb calls, had falsely confessed to murder and been accused by a judge of telling “whopping lies”.
The Telegraph has now learnt that Fay was jailed in 2011 for fraud.
Fay, a former Labour councillor, was sentenced to a year in prison for being part of a scam in which pensioners were conned out of almost £300,000.
The fraud victims were told they were buying shares in property and Tesco but were issued with fake certificates. Fay, of Blackheath, south-east London, helped to launder cash through false bank accounts.
He had been a child social worker with the National Association for Young People in Care (NAYPIC) when he began compiling evidence from children allegedly abused at Elm Guest House.
Mary Moss, a colleague, circulated the list on the internet around December 2012, two months after Mr Watson had made his claims in Parliament.
Fay, tracked down by The Telegraph to his council flat, said his list was based on conversations with Carole Kasir, the owner of the Elm Guest House, and interviews with abused boys at NAYPIC.
Fay said Mrs Kasir had been murdered – she died of an insulin overdose in 1990 – to cover up the abuse.
He repeated allegations he had been making since Mrs Kasir’s death to Mr Watson in 2013. Mr Watson then passed Fay’s details to police, which had begun an investigation into Elm Guest House in December 2012.
Fay said: “My critics will say: 'He is a convicted fraudster so why should we believe the other things [he says].’”
He added: “It was so wrong to put that list online. It starts with hunts. That list could have encouraged people to make up claims.”




This is what I sent to IPSO
their reply is at the end..

Complaint
Material published in print and/or online
settingsEdit
Complaint details
Name of publication(s):
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The Weekly Telegraph (Telegraph Media Group Ltd)
Publication not contacted
Clause(s) breached:


1 Accuracy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11893906/VIP-child-abuse-ring-accuser-served-time-in-prison-for-fraud.html 

'Fay insisted he never intended the list be made public but a former colleague had posted it on the internet. The two have fallen out.' 

First Fay was not a colleague he was a social worker for Greenwich and an 'informer' to the NAYPIC re several Greenwich cases, where he alone researched and supplied the list to the organisation, after meeting several of the organisation's cases when he happened to be in the office meeting with NAYPIC and then approaching the cases himself outside of the NAYPIC offices. 


Second inaccuracy the police approached a former NAYPIC development officer Mary Moss to ask for the list Fay had compiled. 


Third inaccuracy Fay was banned from NAYPIC in the early nineties following information given to NAYPIC by their then funding body London Boroughs Grants Unit. 


There was no personal falling out 'of the two', at all, she delivered the ban, however the information was severe enough for him to be banned since then and he has had no contact with any NAYPIC staff since. 


Fourth inaccuracy; 'He had been a child social worker with the National Association for Young People in Care (NAYPIC) when he began compiling evidence from children allegedly abused at Elm Guest House' 



Not true. He did some statistical research for the organisation where he volunteered to help produce a publication on case statistics called 'abuse in the care system'. 



Fifth inaccuracy; Mary Moss, a colleague, circulated the list on the internet around December 2012, two months after Mr Watson had made his claims in Parliament. 

He was not a colleague. I put the list on the internet because the police knew I still had it. They could have only got that information from Tom Watson who later claims he only met Mr Fay two months after Dec 2012 (in this article it is evident in the inaccuracy in the timeline for any fool to see). 


So either Watson is lying, the police were lying and or the whole thing is a NAYPIC sabotage since we were in a lucrative court case over our HQ at the time of the police raid at my premises which produced the list and all the log books at the guest house to which were given to NAYPIC by Carol Cazier before she was murdered. 


Sixth inaccuracy; He added: “It was so wrong to put that list online. It starts with hunts. That list could have encouraged people to make up claims.” 



The sensitive data with the list as well as log books from the guest house and banking slips etc, were taken from me by police in a dawn raid on my house and I only circulated the documents because they could have been buried. 

It was serial complex knowledge, I felt should be put into the public domain at the time rather than in police hands only, whom had no more right to the information as did the public, until such time as the information was investigated by NAYPIC who would then bring about court proceedings and protection for witnesses, instead of what turned out to be a shambles. 



Independent Press Standards Organisation - Our reference [IPSO: #12767-17#]
Lauren Hay <lauren.hay@ipso.co.uk>
Wed 31/05, 13:32You

Dear Ms Moss,
I write further to our earlier email. 
You have contacted the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), the independent regulator for the newspaper and magazine industry in the UK. We uphold the highest standards of journalism by monitoring and maintaining the requirements set out in the Editors' Code of Practice, and provide support and redress for individuals seeking to complain about breaches of the Code. 
IPSO accepts complaints which have been submitted, either directly to IPSO or to the publication, within four months from the date of the first publication of the article complained of. In the case of an online article which remains accessible to the public on the publication’s website, IPSO may consider complaints within 12 months of the date of its first publication. IPSO will, however, take into account the length of time since the publication of the article, as a delay in complaining may have an effect on IPSO’s ability to fully investigate or adjudicate on a complaint. 
It appears that the article you have complained about falls outside this time period and we will not, therefore, be able to assist you further with this matter. I would suggest that the best way to proceed would be, if you have not already done so, to contact the publication directly about this matter. 
With best wishes,
Lauren Hay
Systems Co-ordinator

IPSO
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PS and from what I know of Fay, I don't doubt the sabotage came partly from him and his cohorts too.